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2007-08-15 21:01
McMeatLoaf

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 106
Useless(?) facts about sids

Do you know any facts about certain SIDs that is fairly unknown to others, like "That tune is tuned in A=442"?
Well, post it here...

The Thief (he eats beef) is tuned to (or at least sounds like) A=442.


 
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2007-08-16 13:52
McMeatLoaf

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 106
Quote: i wish i knew what this means after all.
is this a perfect pitch/tune-matter, or am i totally out of the game here? =)


You're completely right. I've got "perfect" pitch (although not THAT perfect), although it's only accurate to around 25 cents (unless it's tuned to something like A442).

Listen to Textuality (and more); It's around 20 cents too sharp, around A=445 (it uses BFJOSX-freq, most sids use CGKOTY or AEINRW, some use DHLQV (check Galway's tunes)).
2007-08-16 15:40
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933
darn, tune 3 of that No-XS sid sounds familiar. I think that's an Uncle Tom (or Zaphoid or so, Future Composer thingy) MOD mix. Maybe one of you knows?

Cool sounds in that one anyways..
2007-08-16 15:49
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5028
could you make clear what is a=445, and cgkoty, and the rest? :) /me dumb for music
2007-08-16 15:58
McMeatLoaf

Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 106
Quote: could you make clear what is a=445, and cgkoty, and the rest? :) /me dumb for music

Some information below.
Note that I'm kinda guessing, so it may not be correct :/

CGKOTY: It's the freq-table from the C64 PRG as far as I know, it's A=440 on NTSC (America) computers, but it's detuned on PAL (Europe) computers (something like 60-64 cents, or A=424).

AEINRW: A=440 on PAL computers.

BFJOSX: Seldom used, I think it's A=445 (on PAL).

DHLQV: Used by e.g. Galway and Zardax. Detuned ca. 30 cents on PAL AFAIK. I'm not sure if this is correct though.


If you're wondering what the heck I'm talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_pitch#History_of_pitch_sta..
:)
2007-08-16 20:01
j0x

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 215
Oswald: This post illuminates the topic from a slightly different angle:

http://noname.c64.org/csdb/forums/?roomid=10&topicid=29489#29530

Edit: Also note the correction in http://noname.c64.org/csdb/forums/?roomid=10&topicid=29489#29532

Anorak?
2007-08-18 09:07
Laxity

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459
Does anyone know what these terms (CGKOTY, AEINRW, BFJOSX and DHLQV) actually stand for?

The first two letters seem to pin-point a 5th interval - A to E (INRW), B to F (JOSX), D to H (LQV) and C to G (KOTY)..

/me is confused!

EDIT: in european terms B is Bb, and H is B (non euro-term)..
2007-08-18 09:41
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1154
It's the letters one sees when hex/ascii-dumping the frequency table memory region in a monitor, right?
2007-08-18 09:51
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933
ah.. wow, I thought higher science was involved here, AEINRW.
2007-08-18 10:35
Laxity

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459
Damn.. That's it, isn't it?..
2007-08-18 10:40
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 465
It is that simple :)
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