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Glasnost
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Registered: Aug 2011
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Demo cooperation
Just a short question regarding demo creation involving a large group of people.
What kind of tools do you guys use for communication/discussion, screenshots, uploads etc.. ?
And what experiences do you have with it?
Best regards /Glasnost. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
svn, IRC. works :) |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
Unison, Dropbox. |
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Axis/Oxyron
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Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
With really big teams (10+) SVN, IRC and Google-docs worked pretty well. With a smaller team regular Skype-conferences worked better than IRC.
Advantage IRC: We automatically pushed daily IRC-logs into the SVN, so everyone not taking part at a discussion could atleast read it later (Yes, we are the NSA).
Advantage Skype: Voice chats are nicer and more efficient than typing stuff on IRC, but dont work with 18 people.
We also tried to use Redmine for tasks and bug reports. But that didnt work, since not everyone liked it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:We automatically pushed daily IRC-logs into the SVN, so everyone not taking part at a discussion could atleast read it later
lol srsly? what happened to bouncers and scrollback buffers? /o\ |
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4mat
Registered: May 2010
Posts: 65 |
IRC, Dropbox and good old e-mail. We haven't tried the SVN route yet (even with PC stuff) because most of the time each discipline is handled by one person only, and as they're mostly coder-driven demos the other assets get added late in production. As long as the memory map gets agreed early stuff usually slots together ok with only transition stuff to fix. |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 255 |
We're using Slack for real-time communication. The only drawback with it is the limited search functionality with the free plan (and the paid plans are too expensive for hobby projects.) Other than that, it's great.
GitHub for code hosting, a few of us at least.
Dropbox for sharing binaries. |
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T.M.R
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We're not currently doing any big multi-person projects, but same here really; Dropbox for sharing files and Facebook or sometimes IRC for discussion.
It works for what we're doing at least, your mileage may vary of course. =-) |
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Glasnost
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Ok thanks guys! |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Quote: Ok thanks guys!
We use GIT @ Bitbucket together with an online BB-forum and a dropbox for release builds and other data that doesn't need to be in GIT. |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
Even if you're just a single person, there's no good reason NOT to use a source control system. |
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Glasnost
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Quote: Even if you're just a single person, there's no good reason NOT to use a source control system.
Whats wrong with
Newplotter.asm
NewFinalPlotter.asm
NewerFinalPlotter.asm
NewestFinalPlotter.asm
NewestFinalImprovedPlot.asm
?
:) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1089 |
not unlike:
$ git branch
* master
newplotter
newfinalplotter
newfinalplotter2
newfinalplotter3
fuckedplotter
truefinalplotter
rc1
;) |
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Slammer
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 416 |
Quote: not unlike:
$ git branch
* master
newplotter
newfinalplotter
newfinalplotter2
newfinalplotter3
fuckedplotter
truefinalplotter
rc1
;)
Burglar: Well, At least you have only one plotter.asm sourcefile in your source dir. Seems much more tidy to me :-) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
plotter1.src
plotter2.src
plotter3.src
...
source control is nice, but its not like a demo part complexity stuff REALLY needs it. its for teams and big projects.
back when i coded stuff I simply numbered sources, saved after having done bigger changes. worked well. |
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T.M.R
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Dropbox does some of that anyway, but for everything else there is copy of source.asm, copy 2 of source.asm and so on. =-)
(That's all i ever did with a native assembler too though, source files were just called sc001, sc002 and so on.) |
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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 358 |
Without source control i would not be able to figure out what i intended some years ago in some draft coding. Now i can look at the repo, say ahh , and then dig it out again. ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:source control is nice, but its not like a demo part complexity stuff REALLY needs it. its for teams and big projects.
no. what mrsid said. |
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Brush
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 22 |
We use git (hosted at gitlab). Used bitbucket but there was a limit of free users available and gitlab does all we need and is free.
Hipchat as a chat/forum (full history, attachments and mobile apps).
Dropbox occasionally but attaching files in hipchat rooms prooves to be enough for most of the stuff.
Task management as text files inside part repos with sumblime text "todo" plugin. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3051 |
cool debate!!!! |
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Slammer
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 416 |
It's not like you can't live without version control, but it has some nice features, even when you are doing things on your own. Especially with GIT or Hg where you don't have to be in contact with a central server:
* Coordination of multiple files (You might also have a stdlib.src file and a logo file that has to fit the used plotter.src file)
* Easy way to have a history log and see what changes was made in each version
* Easy to see what code came from which change (commit) in the final sourcefile
* Avoids a mess with alot of version files in the source directory
* Quick way to go back in versions (How much was gained by this optimization?) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 946 |
Maybe what Oswald is trying to say is that he hates productivity and efficiency in his spare time. Dig! |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 427 |
What Brush said :) GIT doesn't have to be hard when you use a tool like SourceTree (free from Atlassian).
The benefit of using HipChat (or Slack) with GIT is that you can get a notification in the room every time there's a push to the repo. Then we can download and launch .prg files on mobile with Mr SID's C64 Scene.app too :) So I can fap on the toilet when Brush pushes his codepr0n stuff.
iPhone only though. |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
Further advantages:
- easy synchronisation of stuff being made at home or work
- backup, be it of working versions but also if you loose your local data. So no more whining about a died HD with all your work on it.
- because it is 2016 and it is one of the many things that made cross-compiling a success
- easy revert to older versions, if you fucked something up, so introduced bugs can be found easily, especially when watching the diffs and if you happened to commit small changes and picked the changes by issue.
- as soon as a second person joins in, so easy way of sharing, no need to even give notice to others, just have your regular update, pull, fetch
- not using version control invalidates your scene licence |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408 |
Git's essential for even the tiniest solo project. At a bare minimum it shows me what I changed when I fucked the code "optimising."
Admittedly name_043 etc can give much the same power, but rapidly floods your directory structure. (Or, in the old days, quickly filled a floppy side :-/ ) |
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Axis/Oxyron
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Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
Further advantage:
- Adding comments to your commits helps to remind what you have done and you easily find the place where you fucked everything up 2 month ago. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
I use bitbucket for some time now.
I second bitbreaker on the biggest advantages: backups and for some projects I work on up to 4 different systems. Also I remeber where I left even after n years ;-)
While 01enthusi.asm, 02enthusi.asm... has it's benefits, usually the tools to generate data/content change along with the main source. So I would need to rename dozens of files with every major step. No, no. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Maybe what Oswald is trying to say is that he hates productivity and efficiency in his spare time. Dig!
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Glasnost
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Posts: 26 |
BB quote: "- not using version control invalidates your scene licence"
Whoops, where do i hand in my license? :) |
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Magic
Registered: Sep 2012
Posts: 44 |
there is a nice app called Slack out there..
perfect for it..
https://slack.com/is |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408 |
Quoting enthusi... usually the tools to generate data/content change along with the main source. So I would need to rename dozens of files with every major step. No, no.
So much this^ Trying to keep the data generator(s!) in sync with the render routine with numbered source files would be hell. Version numbers are for sets of files, not individual files. I vaguely recall a stage of duplicating my source folder with every major change, but that was a long time ago now. |
