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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Release id #81527 : Lovey-puppy at the beach
This (Lovey-Puppy at the Beach) and Everytime You Masterbate..: everybody in favor in deletion of these entries?
Oh hi Adam, welcome to csdb |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Indeed, welcome to CSDb. Glad you joined us and started off with the right attitude and releases.
You've come to the right place. We will be serving tee and buttercookies shortly, so stick around.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Did we mention that you can pick up your bag of welcoming goodies at the moderator's desk?
Meanwhile I vote in favour of removal of those two mistakes. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
Nah, don't delete... no reason to really.
None of you guys are the final say on what is and isn't a scene release.
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I was merely voting, you won't see me pressing Teh Delete. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
There should be no vote.
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assiduous
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
these 2 releases are nothing but a useless tripe and should never have been added here. but whats released cannot be unreleased so they should be retained even if only as a reminder that you shouldnt attempt to submit converted pictures if you dont want to get negative feedback. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Too late. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
i have undeleted them. as i see it these qualify as scene releases, fairly lame ones =P |
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The Communist
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485 |
assiduous: A release with a lame quality doesn't disqualify itself through this being added to this db. |
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assiduous
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
The communist: the guy released the pictures by adding them to this database. read "should never have been added here" as "should never have been released". |
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Medicus
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 43 |
Everyones thinking might change as soon as thousands of scanned pictures have been uploaded and ... erhm.. released. |
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Ed
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 173 |
Ehem.
A grand amount images have already been scanned/digitized/converted throughout the scene-history, put a name tag on (in some cases) and released as stand-alone pictures at parties, in demos, etc. hence finding their way at csdb at some point. It is not something uniquely new for the 21th century, rather it marks a trend that has been a part of the scene since the very beginning.
Looking through the thousands of "C64 Graphics" release-list here makes it pretty obvious, i'd say. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: Ehem.
A grand amount images have already been scanned/digitized/converted throughout the scene-history, put a name tag on (in some cases) and released as stand-alone pictures at parties, in demos, etc. hence finding their way at csdb at some point. It is not something uniquely new for the 21th century, rather it marks a trend that has been a part of the scene since the very beginning.
Looking through the thousands of "C64 Graphics" release-list here makes it pretty obvious, i'd say.
You're absolutely right that scanned/digitized/converted pictures isn't something new for the C64 scene.
I'll bet some of us got actually sexually aware after wanking on those Playboy picture-shows back in '87 ;-)
Also those digitizing techniques were quite unique back in the day.
What disturbs me is that everybody can upload shitty converts and that they count as a release over here.
I must agree that some of 'us' sceners compete with such pictures at parties sometimes but a converted picture with a drunk, naked Finnish scener has more scene-value than somebody who barges into CSDb, mistakes The Scene with a hobby computer community and uploads a few converts in row.
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
With even more powerful converters and gfx modes (NUFLI, etc) at hand, this issue will be of increasing importance.
However I think the only way is case-to-case impoliteness to demonstrate disapproval...
(OR get back to the eternal idea to only allow entries that were actually released elsewhere before (Party,FTP,BBS,etc...)) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote:(OR get back to the eternal idea to only allow entries that were actually released elsewhere before (Party,FTP,BBS,etc...)) I'm starting to feel for this idea. |
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daison
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 90 |
Quote: Quote:(OR get back to the eternal idea to only allow entries that were actually released elsewhere before (Party,FTP,BBS,etc...)) I'm starting to feel for this idea.
That would be kind of a weird qualification, wouldn't it?
I mean, I would just have to put a file on a (my own?) ftp site and hey; it counts!
Quality itsself should also not be an issue to be allowed release or not, although I do think it may help some people to ask themselves if they would think it was worth the time and effort to watch it himself before releasing. But I guess disqualifying a release because it sucks (which is in the end still a matter of opinion, although I doubt there are many who loved that puppy picture) is kind of violating artistic freedom in my opinion.
So, I wouldn't moderate this wonderfull place to such an extend, even though I feel the world would have been a better place if the doggy wasn't ever released at all. |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: With even more powerful converters and gfx modes (NUFLI, etc) at hand, this issue will be of increasing importance.
However I think the only way is case-to-case impoliteness to demonstrate disapproval...
(OR get back to the eternal idea to only allow entries that were actually released elsewhere before (Party,FTP,BBS,etc...))
Fail.
Let's take 2 digi-work pictures, released recently:
This one represents fine quality, published on an event, "scene official" release that way:
Loving Dream / comments 3
Puppy pic is something that you all consider to be bad:
puppy / comments 29
That is 10:1 ratio. People love stuff that can be flamed. You can't deny that. The scene needs those releases - otherwise you'd be bored to death ;) The YOUTUBE Math works pretty well here, too.
What about quality releases? Most of the respected scene production guys have their own private lifes by now and have only the fracture of time to create those stunning releases - or just had to leave the scene beause of other matters of life.
The pup pic might be a wimpy disk filler of a rookie who needs much to learn and it is a fucking bad idea to publish any stuff that doesn't reach the level of an otherwise undefined quality standard - but hey, did really ALL of you start as an established coder/musician/GFX guy...? |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 229 |
No, most of us started with basic/assembler stuff in a local group growing slowly during the years.
Facing our own problems in creating whilst we looked upon the "REAL" stuff done by Crest, Blackmail, Horizon, Censor, Panoramic and so on...
People, the repertoire, the essence of the scene or whatever we labelled the scene.
Some years later and a lot of hard work we noticed that people liked what we/one did!
It's all about hard work and boy did many of us release a lot of crap during those (and perhaps still do at times) years...
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tbolt
Account closed
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 6 |
There has always been a fair amount of "useless tripe" released in the scene. Plenty of crap groups, crap coders, etc. - you get the idea. That is how people grow, you must practice to get better.
What I find funny is the double standard that appears to exist here. When some "old timers" pops up and starts making some elitest comments he is shouted down with phrasing like "Haven't you grown up", "Elites are long gone!", etc. The same people also appear to believe only "uber quality" releases should be here or released in general. I think some people have some serious issues to examine with themselves.
I believe there is already enough bullshit here at the database. Do we really need to add another layer of watchdogs and censoring. After all, most of you people believe everything should be free and wild, but seem to want to censor people at every new step.
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
It's funny how people are offended by two
simple 10 block Koala pics. LMFAO!
:))
Lots of love and respect to all you guys..
Your comments, some of them far-fetched and
curious - in no disrespect, have been very
helpful to me. Thanks! :)
>> Adam/Usagi << |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: It's funny how people are offended by two
simple 10 block Koala pics. LMFAO!
:))
Lots of love and respect to all you guys..
Your comments, some of them far-fetched and
curious - in no disrespect, have been very
helpful to me. Thanks! :)
>> Adam/Usagi <<
No, it's because you're fucking up our database with crap.
That was the whole point.
We're debating how to prevent this in the future. Not only by you but also by other clueless people with converting tools who don't have the slightest idea what The Scene means or is.
On the positive/constructive side, better stick to your SID composing. You're much better at that. |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
I completly understand man..
No hard feelings ok? |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: I completly understand man..
No hard feelings ok?
Ok! :) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
Scout - I wasn't aware that CSDb was partially your property?
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: Scout - I wasn't aware that CSDb was partially your property?
Didn't you get the memo? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: No, it's because you're fucking up our database with crap.
That was the whole point.
We're debating how to prevent this in the future. Not only by you but also by other clueless people with converting tools who don't have the slightest idea what The Scene means or is.
On the positive/constructive side, better stick to your SID composing. You're much better at that.
my tip: ntsc & bugfix the pic, and add your intro. |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: No, it's because you're fucking up our database with crap.
That was the whole point.
We're debating how to prevent this in the future. Not only by you but also by other clueless people with converting tools who don't have the slightest idea what The Scene means or is.
On the positive/constructive side, better stick to your SID composing. You're much better at that.
Yep, your SIDding is much more powerful than piccing. If you want to go "mainstream", just release crowd-pleasers, publish more music. If you want to go "underground", release more Jeez' pics to stir up things ;) |
