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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935 |
Release id #102925 : Legion's Intro
<sigh>
Stop using .prg files, I'm getting tired of this, I keep on removing them, instead of somebody just doing it right from the start ;(
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 437 |
What if I create and compile my one file one-file demo entirely on non-C64 machine? Then "the preservation" bit is entirely irrelevant. Uploading .prg would be perfectly valid in this case.
So, how about being a bit more constructive and ask or "remind" the user to upload .d64 if possible (giving the reasons for preservation) but ultimately leave it open for own releases. Sighing and moaning "read the rules" doesn't really help engaging the users ;-)
@moderators: You seem to take CSDB very personally, how about being a bit more open to users' suggestions? :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
your own release you can obviously name as you want. this is all about other peoples (usually old) releases.
and yes, just like on every other website, those who run the site also make the rules. and like on every other website they implement those ideas from users that they like, and ignore the ideas which they think are bad.
as for reminding, go back to the first post =P |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
@Groepaz.
After the survey is finished, I'll send the results to the admins, for their consideration. Whatever happens, happens. I don't have any power here, but I'm still allowed to express my opinion backed by the survey, right?
@Scout.
As far as preservation goes, common sense tells me it's more important to preserve the content than the form. People don't get excited at demoparties watching PETSCII filenames (the only exception of course being my stylish dir designs, hehe). Also, stop bitching about others sharing a viewpoint that is different from yours which you consider bitching ;)
@Acidchild.
I understand your point, I really do. But you're also making an assumption that is wrong. I started transferring and collecting before there was csdb, in the era of DOS 8.3 filenames, therefore my typical dir looks something like this:
2000-08-29 10:51 174˙848 7YEARS.D64
2011-11-23 18:51 0 a.txt
2000-07-09 01:09 174˙848 ANALIN#1.D64
2000-07-09 01:10 174˙848 ANALIN#2.D64
1998-02-24 19:09 40˙075 ANALSCAN.PRG
2000-07-09 01:06 174˙848 ATTACKO2.D64
2000-07-09 00:22 174˙848 ATTACKO3.D64
2000-07-09 01:18 174˙848 ATTACKOF.D64
2000-07-09 00:18 18˙318 CHARLATA.PRG
2000-07-09 01:09 174˙848 DEJAVU.D64
2000-07-09 00:17 49˙227 DEMONOMA.PRG
2000-07-09 00:18 16˙917 GALLUP88.PRG
2000-07-09 01:10 11˙172 HOLYSPI4.PRG
2000-07-08 23:50 43˙337 INSANITY.PRG
2000-07-09 01:08 11˙857 LETKU.PRG
2000-07-09 00:19 174˙848 MEETIN97.D64
2000-07-09 01:10 174˙848 MORPHOSI.D64
2000-07-09 01:12 174˙848 MYSTIC.D64
1998-03-13 10:20 5˙303 NEWINTRO.PRG
2000-07-09 01:08 7˙719 NOBLITTE.PRG
2000-07-09 01:12 174˙848 NOTHINGB.D64
2000-07-09 01:13 174˙848 OHNOMORE.D64
1998-02-24 15:58 25˙948 ONEYEAR.PRG
2000-07-09 00:18 27˙145 OPERABLE.PRG
2000-07-09 01:07 174˙848 PARTYTRA.D64
2000-07-09 00:18 13˙659 SOLOACID.PRG
2000-07-08 23:49 17˙968 SPLITTER.PRG
2000-08-29 10:50 174˙848 STUBIDO.D64
2000-08-29 10:51 174˙848 STUBIDO2.D64
2000-07-09 00:17 11˙541 TOUCHY.PRG
2000-08-29 10:51 174˙848 TYPICAL.D64
2001-07-27 09:42 1˙684 WARELIST
...So no, in many cases I don't have the original PETSCII names, I have just full names typed in the above WARELIST file. Maybe my choice in 199x to do it this way was stupid, but unless you can lend me a time machine...
Of the choice: a) upload it as PRG because it's not there yet, or b) don't upload an entry because the PETSCII is not there anymore - I choose a) anyday. And putting them back into D64/T64, what is preserved? Nothing.
@all.
I'm not replacing anyone's files with PRGs. I'm just upping things that are not in the db, or fixing the corrupted ones, with the source files that I have. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:After the survey is finished, I'll send the results to the admins, for their consideration. Whatever happens, happens. I don't have any power here, but I'm still allowed to express my opinion backed by the survey, right?
do whatever you feel like :) keep in mind though that the admins only care about the technical aspects of the site, and the rest is maintained by the moderators. (and i really wonder why they even tolerate something like this.... oh well =P) |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 437 |
ANALSCAN.PRG sounds interesting. I think some people should undergo this procedure ;P |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
Anal Scanner by Beyond Force :) |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
using disk images to preserve stuff is far better than having prg files, and for me personally, that's a good thing. When I want to run them on my real machine I need to put the prg's into a D64 image anyway so I can write them onto a blank floppy. disk images are best ;]
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
I suggest next time using a "survey maker" coded on the C64 and uploaded as .prg
Seriously, I'm absolutely + CBA, 16 chars filenames are standard on the 64 (exception tape files), this is not CESDb. Figure what 'E' stands for... Hint: One starts with V, another with CC.
Gangsta's Paradise (the former? Chromance ftp) has got a lot of .prg files as these were uploaded very long time ago, partly in the 90s, when people just wanted the files, slowly I changed them to zipped .t64 and .d64 ones. But I stopped working on GP for no time and Lion being a prick. |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2589 |
While I fully agree that the original filename should be preserved, I am not sure if it really makes sense to put them into a .d64 if they are _only_ available as .prg - at least with regards to the filename history. The .prg's might have been renamed at some point to a filename longer than 12 or 16 characters; the information about the source of a file inside a .d64 is thus lost, if the .prg suffix is cut off when copying the file into the image. This could lead to the wrong assumption that a filename is original, while it isn't. But it is getting very academical here - kind of like that, though. :-) Personally I also uploaded (zipped) .prgs if my own source was already a .prg. If I convert from physical disk, I use of course .d64.
So while I agree with the general notion of preferring images over prgs, I support wackee's point in uploading prgs if there is no physical source, with a rather different argument.
I think convenience is not a point at all here, but I think we more or less all agree on that. :-) |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
Here are the results (no increase in votes in recent weeks so it makes no point to continue with it :D). You may of course consider them inconclusive, since only 80 ppl took time to do it.
The way I'd read them is that PRG should not be the preferred format (D64 is clearly the way to go), however a smart way of reflecting the reality would be making it AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION within the database, not a 'discouraged' format. Doesn't that make just a little bit of sense in the view of the results? ;)
I'll forward this to the mods & admins in a few minutes. Whatever happens, happens ;)
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