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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
About Petscii
All these new petscii releases are great, but I'd like to point out that most of them look nice because we have modern displays where the c64 screen looks quite small.
try to view em at fullscreen.
not that there isnt a lot of skill and work involved, sized down many look like much higher color/res pictures which is not easy to achieve, just saying on real full size crt displays these doesnt look as good, its mostly an artefact of today's much bigger resolutions, so 320x200 becames a stamp size on our screens.
"I thought it was a scan on my small phone screen" |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 369 |
"...just saying on real full size crt displays these doesnt look as good, its mostly an artefact of today's much bigger resolutions, so 320x200 becames a stamp size on our screens."
I have to agree, but i think this is also almost the same for every other (C64) graphic mode.
The problem is, that lower scaled graphics look obviously better per se. Not? |
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Tao
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 115 |
Not sure I agree. Hairy from the Zoo 2017 compo was my favourite in all of the graphics categories combined, even on the big screen.
Yes, of course smaller pixels makes things look better--I'm fairly sure that part of the resurgence of hires is due to this--but the main appeal of PETSCII art (and indeed of 8-bit pixel art in general) is being able to create beauty even within the confines of strict limitations. |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 437 |
@Oswald: Back off a few meters from your CRT ;D |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 452 |
1701 monitor CRT is quite small,14" isn't it? That is what they designed to be used with c-64. By 1996 the average consumer CRT size was 26". After that begun the LCD revolution. Nothing really looks good anymore :( no afterglow and smooth interlace either. What to compare to, has changed too. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
most demos also look better when viewed from a distance and the door shut.
the point being? /o\ |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336 |
Who the fuck runs 320x200 in a window? xD |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
How does this only apply to PETSCII? If you view stuff in a tiny window you can not see what the fuck is going on, sure.
I think VICE should have better scaling options to scale up in clean steps, but it still is quite easy to scale up atm.
Also, watch stuff on real hardware! |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2249 |
who PETSCIIs on a smartphone display?
And I guess(!) most ppl who do not check stuff on CRT at least use double size window on their emulator.
Of course it's true, few steps back always makes - as of today's standards rather - low res stuff look better. But that also is true for MC, as dithering don't work either if you sit with your nose touching your CRT
BTW I often use Marq's tool first and then get screen and color data into fieserwolf's real C64 tool via monitor for finishing
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Quote:there isnt a lot of skill and work involved
hurt!
a little :P |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2591 |
@TheRyK: you overlooked the "not" at the beginning of the sentence. Double negation. ;-) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
@Oswald: I don't think that it's true for "most of" Petscii entries. Indeed, that dog-pic from where you quoted the comment looks more like a pile of random chars in fullscreen. But it was also a "firstie" - I don't remember having seen any picture where this was the case from more experienced graphicians.
But yes, I also feel like CSDb gfx compos are more screenshot-competitions than anything else. I wonder why there are no rules for the screenshot (borders, palette).
EDIT: oh, well CSDb voting doesn't count for this competition anyway. So you can probably forget the last part :-) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2249 |
bugjam thx, oswald my bad /o\
brain is a little squashy recently
next time triple negation or at least an uneven no. of negations, please xD |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
"People judge C64 graphics based on screenshots".
In other news: the sky is blue. Details at eleven.
LOL Oswald, have you been on Mars growing potatoes for the last 15+ years? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
probably, so I had to start trolling again now that I'm back :) |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
Quote: How does this only apply to PETSCII? If you view stuff in a tiny window you can not see what the fuck is going on, sure.
I think VICE should have better scaling options to scale up in clean steps, but it still is quite easy to scale up atm.
Also, watch stuff on real hardware!
That's why I use "C64 Debugger" for watching stuff (also for Resid-fp :) ). It uses OpenGL sharp nearest neighbor or bilinear instead of Directx blurry scaling in Vice. |
