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donkey
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newcomer, i've just bought a c64 with 300 programs
I've been looking for a c64 to make music for quite some time and I finally found one for £15, a real bargin you'll are agree. The music programs that I got with it are as follows; ubiks music, the music system, drum studio and soundtracker 64. Some I can't get to down load, I'm thinking maybe the tape heads need demagnetizing. Has anyone ideas why this could be? |
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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 441 |
Maybe they just need re-alignament. You have to turn a small screw above of the them. This fixing proved to be useful to me in the past. You can also try to clean them with a tape head cleaner. Actually you'd better try this last trick first, since it's the easiest. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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tape was out of date already in the end of the 80s man. Get a diskdrive and a fastload cartridge, thats the most spartanic setup I can imagine.
for choosing a music editor read this:
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/forums/?roomid=10&topicid=1248#21654
or try goat tracker.
cheers |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote:tape was out of date already in the end of the 80s
man.
And besides that, the music programs you sum up are teh suxx0rs!
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 206 |
Try to clean up the header too, maybe it's dirty. Even tapes, which was not in touch for few years are still good.
The tape can be also damaged. Then you will do nothing. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Without a diskdrive it's pointless to load any of the editors since you won't be able to save anything that you might create. |
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donkey
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Cheers for the information.
so a disc drive is the safe option. I've been listening to a band called treewave http://www.treewave.com/ they use a c64 to create music, they are the reason I bought a c64 as they have created thier own software . What sort of disc drive do I need to get? What is everyone's favourite software? |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
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1541 is just standard. oceanic clones are fine too.
you may want also 1570 or 1571 if you can get them at reasonable price |
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QuasaR
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 145 |
1541, 1541-II, 1570, 1571 = 5,25" disc drives.
1581, FD-2000, FD-4000 = 3,5" disc drive. |
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V-12
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 206 |
1541 II is da best :)) recommended! |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 255 |
And if thinking of ordering a FD-2000 drive from Maurice Randall (he is making them), prepare to wait a couple of years before getting it.
I ordered and paid my FD-2000 drive in November 2004 and on the phone a few days ago he told me he might start with the batch in which my drive will come from within a few months (let's keep our fingers crossed for that).
1541-II's (the best ones) and even 1581's are almost always available from German e-bay, and I have never encountered any problems ordering c64-stuff from abroad.
A Retro Replay and a MMC64 is a really good buy aswell. They are available new and will solve amongst other things the PC-c64 connections easily, also for a novice. |
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donkey
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So I need to get a disc drive, when I get one how do I get the software onto the discs. Whats out there in the way of music software for the c64? |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598 |
you could try this one for example:
JCH NewPlayer 21.g4 Final
the new JCH player.
brandnew as a matter of fact.
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donkey
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thanKs Matt, now I need to now how to transfere the file from my mac to the cm64.
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donkey
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I've just found out, I get a disc drive with a serial lead. But how to you get the data cassettes on to disc????? |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
You can use cartridges to freeze software and save it to disk, but this is a little crude and wouldn't work with multiloads. Probably the easiest thing to do would be to just look online for the disk versions of your cassette software. There will be very little not easily available online and what you can't find online is probably not worth having anyway :) |
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donkey
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deev, thanks. so what software do you use then? I've been looking at a cynthcart which sounds pretty neat. check it out http://www.atariage.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=322
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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
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About transferring c64 disks from a PC hard disk to the c64 disk drive, try the software Star Commander from the internet. I don't know if there's a mac version..... |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: About transferring c64 disks from a PC hard disk to the c64 disk drive, try the software Star Commander from the internet. I don't know if there's a mac version.....
Or, as I wrote, get a MMC64 and use it as a converter from pc-c64 (disk). Or grab a RR-net and use it.
Those methods are the only ones that has worked for me. |
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THE TEA DRINKER
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 39 |
Quote: I've just found out, I get a disc drive with a serial lead. But how to you get the data cassettes on to disc?????
There is alot of tools you can use that allready can do it (cannot remember the names, sorry) but if you use ABC Turbo (FLASH version) for your tapes you load insert the tape into it with the basic load command, and write the basic command save "nameoffile",9,1 as I remember but that is long time I did it.
If you use other turbotapes the syntax for save would be save "nameoffile",8,1 and ofcoz you need a formatted floppy in both cases in the floppydrive. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Easiest is to use A.T.T.A.C V1.0 when transfering tapes. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
Hi Donkey,
people always dislike tape (dunno why :).
Just in case you want to try something inbetween:
you can use the soundmonitor - people call it oldschool but I like its sounds ;)
Its made for disk as well but you can patch it:
load it, then:
poke 8676,1
poke 11113,1
poke 11154,1
poke 11191,1
poke 11733,1
and save it again
when running it from tape later use:
sys 64738
sys 2167
to start.
After each load/save you have to reset (runstop/restore) and restart by sys 4096.
May appear a bit complicated but hey - things dont always have to be easy :)
In general you should maybe indeed go with a cheap floppy.
But I dislike people speaking of 'old crap' when dealing with c64...
Have fun,
enthusi |
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donkey
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ta Enthusi, I don't know what you mean, but it sounds good. I think the problem I'm having is that tape isn't reliable. |
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hannenz
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well... just get a disk drive ok? you can get a 1541 which is absolutely ok, for a few bucks everywhere...
then download your software from the internet; you might want to start with sadotracker, jch, cybertracker or something, i am not that much in music programming...
to transfer the software to disk there are several possibilities; in most cases you'll need a special cable to connetct the disk drive with the pc's lpt port. the most common software is "star commander" (try google). this one needs the X1541-cable and must be run in MS-DOS.
Another poossibility is "cbm4linux" or "cbm4win" (try google)
they need a XA1541-cable but can be run under multitasking os (linux or win).
I don't know if there is any transfer-software for MAC - you'll have to find out by yourself.
Or change to IBM-PC... ;)
Another possibility would be to use an c64 emulator (there are some for MAC, but i can't remember the name, i think "power64" or something), then create your music on yoour MAC with the emulated softwares. But that's not the REAL thing though it would give you some idea on how to get started quickly.
Then later on when you're more familiar with the C64 you could change to the REAL machine.
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donkey
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thanks hannenz. I'll look on ebay for a disc drive. I |
