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Iapetus/Algarbi/Wood
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 71 |
An easy tracker
Is there other crossplatform besides goat tracker? A friend of mine wants to compose some sid tunes but he is finding goattracker too complex.
Ta. |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
I only know of JITT64 (http://jitt64.sourceforge.net/), but I don't think it's any easier.
It might look less intimidating, but in the end it's probably gonna be the same.
A less complex editor will mean that the tune will have crappy instruments. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
What exactly does your friend find complex with GT? I mean there's lots of editors which are much more complex and I found GT to be the easiest cross-platform editor so far. If he's not used to trackers in general (i.e. ones on Amiga/PC) then you may be stuck until someone makes an easier/beginner's editor. |
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Iapetus/Algarbi/Wood
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 71 |
Thank you Mr.SID
@Conrad:
What he told was "this tracker is not friendly for people like me who don't know the SID"
I have coded the c64 version of a game of his, now I am just waiting for the music. He coded the game for the Speccy and also someone ported it to the megadrive. He must be wanting to port the AY tune to the SID I think. |
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null
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Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
GoatTracker appears complex at first, but with a bit of effort, it's not that hard to use. If I recall right, zerozillion wrote a guide for it. Should be here on CSDb somewhere.
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http://zomgwtfbbq.info |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
GT is great. Maybe, the way of thinking of parameters cause a little confusion for your friend.
If it is so, take a look at Music Studio 2:
Music Studio 2.0.0.16
It's an old-style .DUR base editor. That workflow has its difficulties, too - on the other hand the sound editing is pretty simple compared to GT.
If your friend have any questions about it, just PM me. |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
Quoting AlgarbiWhat he told was "this tracker is not friendly for people like me who don't know the SID"
Making music for the SID is all about knowing the SID. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
+1 |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Everything is difficult if you are not prepared to use the time it takes, to get to know things.
Stop asking for "easy tracker" and instead start to learn to use the program, then ask for help when you run into problems. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
i am making video tutorials for SDI 2.0 - you can find them on http://www.youtube.com/diabelez
the series is not yet complete, i have to remake some of them because they got longer than 10 mins.. :) |
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Iapetus/Algarbi/Wood
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 71 |
Than you all. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
Mr.SID has a very good point, and personally I agree 100% with what he said.
Nonetheless, people are different. I know some people that wanted to do c64 music, but who weren't that interested in learning the details of the SID chip, and they found Cybertracker to be a reasonably comprehensible program. It is not a PC/Mac program though, but then again one can always run it in an emulator... Now Cybertracker is neither particularly popular among coders (for example because of the rastertime it consumes) nor among more experienced SID musicians (due to its many limitations), but still.. It took a few lazy fellas over the threshold at least, and that ain't bad! :) |
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Iapetus/Algarbi/Wood
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 71 |
Thanks Frantic, but I think he doesn't want to use any native stuff he doesn't use it for the Speccy either which is his real target platform.
Anyway let's see what comes out of it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
hey come on. it's not like you have to know tons of complicated stuff to make some sounds with the sid, even i can do that. (and if nothing helps, you can always steal instruments from existing tunes).
saying "i cant use this tracker because i don't know the sid" is like saying "i cant play van halen because i dont know what a guitar is" - no shit sherlok. if you want to do something, you gotta learn about it :)
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
i am not into the technical stuff about the sid, i just use the sdi editor, and i master the editor. not knowing the inner workings of the sid chip, dont prevent me from making exactly what i want.
so there goes that silly theory of yours.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
of course you know the technical stuff like what adsr is and how it works. and how the filter works and what waveforms you can use, and what values corrospond to all that stuff. dont be silly. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
ah yes, i think i have expressed me wrong then.. :D |
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clonK
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Registered: Aug 2008
Posts: 65 |
Quote: Thanks Frantic, but I think he doesn't want to use any native stuff he doesn't use it for the Speccy either which is his real target platform.
Anyway let's see what comes out of it.
If he doesn't have a c64 then take 10 seconds to load Vice on your computer and then load your c64 program into it.
Load Sid Duzz It.
Print out Jan's ref card:
http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/download.php?id=103841
Check Jan's youtube vids on how to use SDI:
http://www.youtube.com/diabelez
Use SDI.
Couldn't be any simpler tbh. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
the key reference card is made by Devia :D
if you just look at the ref card, you run away screaming, because you can see all the things that you can do in SDI. so you get scared.
but if you see my videos, you see how straight forward it is, and thats why i am making them - to un-complicate things (for the noobs) :D |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
hmm i cannot find the reference card release page.
the dl works, but where is the release id ?
its not under rambones, or devia, and the csdb search machine is hopeless.. :D
it should be placed on Devia's page..
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
it was never relaeased :-P ..just linked to from some forum thread, iirc.
It needs an update.. some of the Pulse/Filter prg description is either incorrect, vague og seriously misleading... but I forgot how exactly ;-) |
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Iapetus/Algarbi/Wood
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 71 |
Well, my friends have quited trying to make the sid music, so I am asking here is someone is interested in versioning the AY tunes to the sid, of course they must be revamped to show that the SID is 1000000x superior ;)
Please PM me if you are interested, I will email you the tunes in mp3 format.
Thanx |
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Iapetus/Algarbi/Wood
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 71 |
We have a musician now, thank you all who applied to version the tunes. |
