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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
Make deleting screenshots impossible
I noticed that once in a while screenshots are deleted from entries by a moderator without replacing them. I think this is bad.
It's bad because:
- It's not clear why it is deleted. Seems like the moderator might think the colors are bad, the size is wrong or whatever the reason is
- You see for some entries that the uploader is trying to upload the screenshot again and again and the moderator is deleting it again and again without communication. We should motivate people to help improving CSDb and not annoying them.
- Having no screenshot is worse than having a not-so-good screenshot
Please make it impossible to delete screenshots on CSDb. Only allow replacing screenshots.
With this the moderator can inform the user to replace it and tell what is wrong with the current screenshot or replace it himself. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
What Fred said.
I uploaded the Transmission64 screenshot to my release there and it was deleted again and again – first I thought it was some kind of error, so I uploaded again and again.
Didn't even notice that the screenshots the Transmission64 crew took were not in a "proper" CSDb format (I guess taken from real machine). I don't see much difference to the one that wasn't deleted anymore.
Eventually I realized what could be wrong. But was also a bit confused why the one deleting it not bothered to leave a message or take the time to make a screenshot themselves. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2241 |
Quoting Fred
- Having no screenshot is worse than having a not-so-good screenshot
That used to be my view, too.
Mods position is different, however.
And even I changed my mind.
Quoting spider-jI don't see much difference to the one that wasn't deleted anymore.
Every pixel counts :) And yeah, using the ones from party Voting Engines ain't a good idea.
Mods only deleting but not replacing and not even informing users is due to educational reasons. Mods are not the cleaning ladies of the community.
If you notice a release's screenshot has removed by a mod, it includes the message: "You did sth wrong and have to redo it again properly."
Seriously, use a current VICE (in a perfect world with pepto pallette) and follow
How to make a proper CSDB screenshot in VICE?
If a screenshot disappears, it probably failed to match 384x272 in normal border mode (or - less frequent lately IINM - used terribly oversaturated ZX Spectrum neon or totally self-invented color palette). If this is too hard to do for anyone, they should think of retiring from CSDb or ask a friend with an account for help. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2979 |
Quoting TheRykMods only deleting but not replacing and not even informing users is due to educational reasons.
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If you notice a release's screenshot has removed by a mod, it includes the message: "You did sth wrong and have to redo it again properly." This seems a bit contradictory.
A cycle of notification-less deletion and re-submission seems unnecessary and doesn't educate anyone until the user may or may not eventually notice their error. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
What Krill said... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
requiring the mod to give a reason for basically anything sounds like a sane thing indeed....
...until you are in the position of the mod. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2241 |
gpz: nails it! |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
If you don't bother giving a reason for deleting it then better do nothing. Just don't delete valuable content.
If you care about the screenshot (as TheRyk said: every pixel counts), then care about fixing it.
We all should help making release entries better but let's not delete things without replacing them because nobody is notified about it. I hope you get the point. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Just add a standard message that always says "screenshot does not match the rules <link here>". Problem solved. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
In the past notifications were sent ... and lots of times guess what? The same screenshot would be uploaded again.
No, deleting the screenshot will continue. What is needed for a screenshot is clearly shown on the upload page and if you can't follow that -> time to stop adding entries. |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 478 |
Deleting a screendump and "hoping for the best" does not sound *that* clever, no matter how "harsh" you want it to work, sorry!
So, I tend to...
Quoting GroepazJust add a standard message that always says "screenshot does not match the rules <link here>". Problem solved. ...praise this proposal from Groepaz. Just let some logic send an automated message as this is (in most cases) the little *ping* the uploader of the incorrect screendump needs. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2241 |
Fred, I totally see the point, as this used to be my view some year ago.
And yes, some automated solution already preventing uploading an inacceptable ratio would make a lot of sense, Copyfault & Groepaz.
As Moloch said, mere notification alongside with removal was found useless, as intended reactions were the exception.
So until that fully automated solution is here, we currently keep "hoping for the best", namely entry creators(!) doing the right thing in the first place. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
Quoting GroepazJust add a standard message that always says "screenshot does not match the rules <link here>". Problem solved.
this. |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
I think the problem is that you now only allow screenshots made with Vice only. Even I was not aware of this specific resolution. Using screenshots with e.g. CCS64 gives a resolution of 384x296 where the rule according to the upload screen is:
The image size should be 384x272 including the border. (No scaling, or filters like CRT-emulation, please))
There is nothing wrong with those screenshots made with CCS64, at least not in the view of most CSDb users, I think. Not everybody is using Vice. And what about PAL/NTSC differences?
Maybe we should also force people using a specific color palette? I see screenshots with really bad colors and those are not deleted. In my point of view this is worse than a deviated resolution.
I think CSDb is not clear during the upload how to make the screenshot, at lease for some users apparently. If only Vice gives this specific resolution, then state that you MUST make screenshots with Vice only.
I personally think the strict rules about resolution, scaling, filter, etc are useless since old uploads are also not according these rules. I hope you will not delete the screenshot of those old uploads, only replace them.
Also I think we should not force a specific emulator making the screenshot. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2979 |
These points are all valid, and have been brought up many times before.
Screenshot minimum size
How to make a proper CSDB screenshot in VICE?
Screenshots
This is one of the many recurring thread topics in here. :) |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 478 |
Quoting Krill[...]
This is one of the many recurring thread topics in here. :) What about introducing a recurrance-factor ;)? If it exceeds a certain threshold, the demanded point must be implemented without further discussion. mekeepsondreaming |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
seems there needs to be another standard message that says "nothing wont be implemented never because perff" |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
Don't forget to add: "Any questions can be directed to Groepaz." |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Good luck with that! |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2241 |
OK, we've got it, some topics pop up again and again and ain't solved yet (just btw this ain't so very rare on other platforms), and still it's a tradition to exchange views.
As 'Tis the Season of tradtions, here's another one: After all meaningful points have been made and groepaz had the final say, a topic is traditionally closed.
We're going to consider your suggestions, seriously, no promises, however. |
