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Skyrider
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Separating Trackmos and oldschool demos
Hi. I just had this thought if it could be an idea to separate modern trackmos and oldschool "Press space for next part" demos into two different chartgenres? I think that would be more fair to both genres... |
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Tch
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I don´t think the "Press Space" is a good reference to call something oldskool/newskool (?).
Besides,what should we do with the oldskool-trackmos? ;) |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
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or the "new-school" press-space demos.. |
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TDJ
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A demo is a demo. Stop trying to put everything in its own category. |
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Tch
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Why not?
I´d like to see demos ranked that have BLUE as the dominant colour!
Every artist has his/hers "Blue Period"! 8D |
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Skyrider
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Well Tch, you know quite well I'm not actually a scener, so I might mix up the right terms. But as it has been as of lately (if you look away from latest 2 days) most "Top Demos" has, with little exception, been trackmos. Yesterday and today has been one of those exception as can be seen on the list, with the almost bizarre situation that "Kalle kloakk" tops longtime leading "Royal Arte (wich also is a press space demo) and Deus Ex. I dont say its unfair that KK has the current score it has, afterall it is (imo) one of the best oldschool demos ever made. But is it necesarily better than RA/DE?
TDJ: CSDB already have different charts for Diskmag editors/musicians/graphicians etc, not just a "top scener", so I dont exactlty see your point? of course a demo is a demo, dont recall to have said otherwise, but CSDB sorts already (4k demo from other demos, a chart for them aswell could perhaps be something) Different charts may put focus back to other stuff that just trackmos... |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
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And continuing on the topic, shouldn't there be separate charts for "tech" demos and "art" demos? ;-)
No, seriously, I think the CSDb charts work fine the way they are. Not that they're that important anyway... |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Well Tch, you know quite well I'm not actually a scener, so I might mix up the right terms. But as it has been as of lately (if you look away from latest 2 days) most "Top Demos" has, with little exception, been trackmos. Yesterday and today has been one of those exception as can be seen on the list, with the almost bizarre situation that "Kalle kloakk" tops longtime leading "Royal Arte (wich also is a press space demo) and Deus Ex. I dont say its unfair that KK has the current score it has, afterall it is (imo) one of the best oldschool demos ever made. But is it necesarily better than RA/DE?
TDJ: CSDB already have different charts for Diskmag editors/musicians/graphicians etc, not just a "top scener", so I dont exactlty see your point? of course a demo is a demo, dont recall to have said otherwise, but CSDB sorts already (4k demo from other demos, a chart for them aswell could perhaps be something) Different charts may put focus back to other stuff that just trackmos...
There's something to say from seperating 4k demos from the rest, as they really stand out due to their limited size. But as far as I'm concerned everything else should be just a demo (I don't care too much for the fact that you can also select 'one file demo' as filetype).
I guess that the popularity of trackmos is due to the fact that most members of this board weren't active before those became in fashion. Also, believe this from somebody who *is* a scener, and who has been one since the 80's, demos *have* actually gotten better over the years ;) |
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Tch
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I can understand that the rankings don´t make much sense here.
And I also agree with TDJ that demos do get better over the years.
But for a database that is close to stepping over the 20.000 entries line,the criteria to choose from are a bit small.
It would be great to have an option like: "best demo till (1990)".
But I don´t think the problem lies with CSDb.
It´s basically that only a very small amount of people cast their votes.
There are over 3.000 accounts (some of which are fakes),but even the best demos have only a little over a 100 votes.
There simply is no sollution for this.
It´s like TV & elections.
Many people watch,some speak their mind. ;) |
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Stan
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Quote: Why not?
I´d like to see demos ranked that have BLUE as the dominant colour!
Every artist has his/hers "Blue Period"! 8D
And most artists just started to make money with it - post mortem! 8D
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
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Quote: A demo is a demo. Stop trying to put everything in its own category.
For once I agree with TDJ.
If you check the charts, its a mixture of old and new demos. It doesnt make things more fair if you seperate them. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: For once I agree with TDJ.
If you check the charts, its a mixture of old and new demos. It doesnt make things more fair if you seperate them.
Ofcourse you agree with me - it's in your contract! |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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That's almost such a brilliant idea like the separation of 'graphicians' and 'fullscreen graphicians' chart. If there will be an anonymous poll about it, count on me!
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Tch
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Hmm,don´t think I ever did a fullscreen picture..
Bloody Borders.. ;) |
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TDJ
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Quote: Hmm,don´t think I ever did a fullscreen picture..
Bloody Borders.. ;)
Well, you just lost my vote. |
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jailbird
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Quote: Well, you just lost my vote.
As a graphician or fullscreen graphician?
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Skyrider
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As a coder. A demo is demo. We should stop putting everything into categories, they say... ;) |
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Tch
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Well,sorry..
Can´t get UFLI into the border for some reason. ;P |
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TDJ
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Quote: Well,sorry..
Can´t get UFLI into the border for some reason. ;P
Lamer! |
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Tch
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Quote: Lamer!
Looking At More Evolved Routines..
Yeps,that´s me..
I watch and am amazed.. ;) |
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
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Well seperating all the stuff seems pretty stupid but what about some new sql queries that give you the year of release charts, like the best demos in e.g. 1988, 1989 etc.
It is no big deal and gives some fair view if you still keep the top over all the years, so you got the specific year AND the cool raster vs. deus ex lamo-demo charts ;-D
Seems pretty fair to me
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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@TCH: Feh. :)
@Slator: cool idea. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Ofcourse you agree with me - it's in your contract!
whats in your contract then? some paragraph which forces you to tell how long you been in the scene in every other post? |
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Scout
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Quote: whats in your contract then? some paragraph which forces you to tell how long you been in the scene in every other post?
Hahahaha! :D
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Cruzer
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"Fullscreen graphician" that's such a stupid category... Graphician is not even a real word. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: whats in your contract then? some paragraph which forces you to tell how long you been in the scene in every other post?
Oh dear, still pissed because I told the world not all your demos are as good as you want us to think?
It's been a few years man, let it go. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Why can't some submitters learn the difference between "C64 Demo" & "C64 One-File Demo" is another good question I'd say. |
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TDJ
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Quote: Why can't some submitters learn the difference between "C64 Demo" & "C64 One-File Demo" is another good question I'd say.
I never agreed with the c64 one-file demo category, like I said: a demo is a demo. |
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H.O
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Quote: I never agreed with the c64 one-file demo category, like I said: a demo is a demo.
Which is why I dont use the one-file-demo category when adding productions; a demo is a demo is a demo.
There might be a point in separating single-file and multi-file demos though, since they are different challenges, but I never made that distinction back then and I am way too conservative to change now.
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Since there is a cathegory for onefilers I think it should be used. Otherwise you could as well use "Demo" for music & graphic-collections too since they are also demos in a way. |
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TDJ
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Quote: Which is why I dont use the one-file-demo category when adding productions; a demo is a demo is a demo.
There might be a point in separating single-file and multi-file demos though, since they are different challenges, but I never made that distinction back then and I am way too conservative to change now.
Couldn't agree more.
But Zyron, what's the difference between those 2 for you, apart from the fact the file format? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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whats the different between a trackmo and a 4k intro^H^H^H^H^Hdemo except for its size? :=P |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: Couldn't agree more.
But Zyron, what's the difference between those 2 for you, apart from the fact the file format?
Like you'd give a damn :) |
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TDJ
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Quote: Like you'd give a damn :)
Ofcourse I do. You're my bathroom surprise guest. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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The file format is the difference & the reason for 2 different cathegories for demos, it's as simple as that.
Oh, and you should really clean up the mess in your bathroom! |
