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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Scrolltextwriting, the art of
Something I've been missing @ csdb is the possibility to vote for scrolltextwriters. Strange, since scrolltexts are a big part of what made our scene so special.
So c'mon Perff, gimme a chance to honor the really great ones, like Goldrush/Crest & Rowdy/Fairlight ;) |
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Luca
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 178 |
I also appreciated a lot the fantastic role of the man who takes me orange juice while I'm composing SIDmusic or coding some easy stuff. I don't remember his name, but it has been sooo kind and useful, I would vote for him too, definitely. |
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Wile Coyote
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vote for scrolltextwriters?
That would difficult, as it would require many to re view their demos and remember who wrote what.
Off of the top of my head, I can can only think of a few sceners where I can link their names to good scroll texts.
Goldrush stands out as as one of them, and Scroll of Megastyle is another. |
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BAR.
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Quote: I also appreciated a lot the fantastic role of the man who takes me orange juice while I'm composing SIDmusic or coding some easy stuff. I don't remember his name, but it has been sooo kind and useful, I would vote for him too, definitely.
Is there a chance to vote for Luca and his comment ?
Best Text in CSDB would be fine to see in the charts..
ARGH...
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I also appreciated a lot the fantastic role of the man who takes me orange juice while I'm composing SIDmusic or coding some easy stuff. I don't remember his name, but it has been sooo kind and useful, I would vote for him too, definitely.
It's quite clear from this comment that you know shit about the real scene. |
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The Overkiller
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Registered: Mar 2002
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Goldfish/Legend is my fave!!!1 |
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Luca
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 178 |
Yeah? Yeah then? Oh f*ck, then I'll take the ball with me because it's mine, and I go back home, oh! And you can play no more for today! And that's all, oh!
Don't start a war TDJ, it's childish and useless, it's also repetitive (wars had begun in the most harmless threads on CSDb). Try keeping on track your good request, and use your best facetious side instead of competing about which knows the real or the very real or the absolutely real real hyper sideral photonic real scene.
PS: a bad mouse clicking has sent you a PM, sorry for that ;) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I'm not starting a war, I'm just pointing something out.
Somebody who compares scrolltextwriting to supplying orange juice to a musician really doesn't get how important that aspect of the scene actually is. And thus the true masters of that game (because good scrolltextwriting is an art) should get their due respect.
Also, another thing: even if you don't agree with my request you don't have to belittle it. |
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Luca
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 178 |
My ironic answer had a tough core of "I guess we shouldn't vote for scrolltextwriters" (hey but I appreciate some of them too, eh!), and you probably will meet several ppl here too that, incredible to say this, might be not with your ideas.
This doesn't mean you have to compete at "realscene©" game with all of them.
Summarizing, we shouldn't vote for them, IMHO. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: My ironic answer had a tough core of "I guess we shouldn't vote for scrolltextwriters" (hey but I appreciate some of them too, eh!), and you probably will meet several ppl here too that, incredible to say this, might be not with your ideas.
This doesn't mean you have to compete at "realscene©" game with all of them.
Summarizing, we shouldn't vote for them, IMHO.
No prob, you're entitled to your own opinion, on the other hand, if you don't want to vote on it, don't vote, right?
Also, you probably mean 'sarcastic', not 'ironic' ;) |
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Luca
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 178 |
Lemme think about...mmmmmm...nono I would mean "ironic", really. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Lemme think about...mmmmmm...nono I would mean "ironic", really.
edit: deleted because it's off topic. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: I'm not starting a war, I'm just pointing something out.
Somebody who compares scrolltextwriting to supplying orange juice to a musician really doesn't get how important that aspect of the scene actually is. And thus the true masters of that game (because good scrolltextwriting is an art) should get their due respect.
Also, another thing: even if you don't agree with my request you don't have to belittle it.
"how important that aspect of the scene actually is"
well, its SO IMPORTANT that after many-may years of csdb existance this is the first request for scrolltextwriter voting :P :)
where there scrolltextwriter charts back in the days in the mags? :)
my 2 cents |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: "how important that aspect of the scene actually is"
well, its SO IMPORTANT that after many-may years of csdb existance this is the first request for scrolltextwriter voting :P :)
where there scrolltextwriter charts back in the days in the mags? :)
my 2 cents
No, there weren't, but neither were things like 'author', 'cover designer', 'ftp-administrator', 'pr-manager' etcetera.
As for this being the first request: true, but that doesn't mean it wasn't important. Personally, scrolltexts were very important to me, I read *all* scrolltexts from *every* demo I saw and I know a lot of other people did too. Also, I loved writing them myself, so much that I even started coding because of it (changing texts using a diskmon gets boring after a while).
I just feel it's strange that it's not possible to express your admiration for somebody who really gave an extra dimension to certain products. Just check Broken Ideals for example: if it wasn't for the text in that demo I would never have held it so dear. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
yeah, I've seen bad and awesome texts I know the difference, just testing your nerves here... you won :) |
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wreg
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 679 |
imho its even more important to have the possibility to actually add scrolltexts to the database! |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I think it's useless to add separate scrolltexts to this database. If you want to read them, start the file.
Otherwise, set up a website http://scrollers.c64.org ;) |
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wreg
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if its in the db, searching is easy |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
On topic: voting for scrolltextwriters is a bit over the top, imho, but it would fit the database. I'm not against it, for what it's worth :-)
Side topic: why add scrolltexts to the database?
I can think of another 5 things that would be nice in the database. Like used fonts, a description of used effects, filesize in blocks and/or discsides, number of parts, used cruncher (nice statistics!)...
Or what about a tree structure for programs that were developed and forked in the process? :-)
I admit that being able to search scrolltexts would be nice, but I'm not sure CSDB is the right place for that. You might get quite a bulky database... and a precedent to split every tiny detail of a demo (like aforesaid fonts). |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
So what would you'd rather search for: a demo in which your name is mentioned, or a demo in which a certain font is used? Or a certain tune, for that matter? ;-) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote: So what would you'd rather search for: a demo in which your name is mentioned, or a demo in which a certain font is used? Or a certain tune, for that matter? ;-)
All of the above ;-)
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: All of the above ;-)
If you search for your handle, you just get lots of texts from sceners threatening other sceners ;) |
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Ben
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Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 163 |
I'd love to see the scrolltexts added! |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1098 |
YES, lets vote for scrolltextwriters!
my first downvote will go to TDJ! ;)
'nuff said |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: YES, lets vote for scrolltextwriters!
my first downvote will go to TDJ! ;)
'nuff said
Ah, you're just jealous because I completely dominated Eat my Pussy with my brilliant stance on the situation in the middle east at that time. |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 496 |
Sure scrollers have been a vital part of and for the scene's communication and growth, yet it's another task which has not really been considered a serious one during the years.
I could name jobs like: linking, designing, ideas, concepts, storyboards, testing, bugfixing, ripping etc. Those aren't votable, but possible to add to your production (like text is too). So where would it end... And some of these deserve to be a better candidate than scrolltextswriters imho.
But I do dig the idea of adding ALL texts to csdb and make it searchable. This would be great for historical purposes. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 255 |
A good scrolltext rock! It can be the most important part of a release, if done properly. What's more is that it is an art form that has been mastered by few, in 1987, 1995 or in 2004. It takes something to make one stick to reading and also enjoy the pace set by the scroller, but there are a few masterpieces out there. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
a scrolltext can be only the most important part of the release if the release sucks.(regardless to scrolltext quality) |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 255 |
Quote: a scrolltext can be only the most important part of the release if the release sucks.(regardless to scrolltext quality)
Nope. Full stop. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Egads! Oswald is wrong. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
show me example |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 255 |
Quote: show me example
The ESI intro for Pirates!, Cooper demo and some We Music/WCC comes to mind just now. Will dig into some newer ones when I get my head free though. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
we dont share the same views. in my eyes those prods lacks quality in all aspects for me. code/sfx/gfx/design/invested work. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
hmm seeing that we have a 'top webmasters' category, I have changed my mind, and now I second tdj in the need for scrolltextwriter job. |
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Nightlord
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
oswald: can i point out "star flake" by maniacs of noise as an example of great added value of good scroll text co-existing with jaw dropping high quality music and very very high quality code. I agree with you that I don't always enjoy just the scroll text in many productions when the other components suck too, but you asked for an example so here it is :)
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Ben
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Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 163 |
Dude.. what about.. Let's Scroll It! :D :D
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
Whats a scrolltext? |
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A3
Registered: Dec 2005
Posts: 362 |
I always loved a good scrolltext writer who could capture my imagination and force me to sit and read an entire scroller. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
a scrollewriter must: tell you who he is, tell you what happened since the last time you saw his scrolls, tell something about the demo, tell something about the scene (news), and send greetings, and fuckings!
also a scrollwriter should get personal in at least one case, so the reader can really get a view into the essense of things.
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