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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
peoples numbers / address's
stop posting peoples FULL address's and phone numbers on here esp in the UK.. if they are the owner of the profile IS the actual person then fair enough, its down to them. not someone else to post em
2 sceners i still know in the UK contacted me, asking me about this place.. their parents still live there, and they were asking for their son in both cases.. the numbers are EX directory, also.. so neither appricated.
apparently some one off here had been ringing up the numbers mentioned on their profiles, if they wanted their numbers posted THEY would do it.
the rough area where they were based is ok, but not the FULL address OR more importantly phone number. People don't have the permission to do it, so why do it?
and r0ugh.. don't blah blah me either in PM about this.. if people want to post up their full address let THEM do it. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
I agree.
Try to stick to just the area code, zip code and such.
e.g: The Highlander.
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 838 |
I qutie agree there, especially those addresses that were recorded from older releases. By then those in particular would of moved house, leaving whoever is trying to call them embarrassed, due to contacting a nobody.
I'm also quite guilty of putting the full addresses on some UK sceners, so I will minimalise the addresses a fair bit - or at least leave the county and country intact.
chancer: did any of them mention who the guy was who tried to contact them ? |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
nope conrad.. but i got an email from them,one was rather terse, asking me if i had posted their details off here.. He knew I hadn't but wondered who the heck posted the number, as they'd not lived there for 10-15 years, but their parent still did.
I've gone thru a few people I used to know, and made it very general. zip codes are very specific regarding the UK.. so including them isn't so great either, area/town/ country is good enough.
I notice a few things like demos etc, have numbers mentioned in the directory.. I'm removing them before posting just incase now, simply because it seems people can't be trusted to do the right thing.
I'd rather NOT name them, as yer i'm still friends with them, have the scene to thank for that, but for a lot of people I know the c64 was a part of their earlier life, and not their current life.. they swapped that for a wife and kids.hehe
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
Difficult matter...
I don't approve of manipulating the releases themselves though. That data usually won't show up in google so it shouldn't be that bad.
Otherwise we'd have to take appart every demo and erase numbers in scrollers and such, probably destroying the demos in the process. Not very workable.
Also name/rough address is what made me find many of the links between different handles. Without it the database hadn't been as complete. Just the first name helps a lot.
But as said let's keep it at a minimum. |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
tlr.. i know what u mean, but so far it's just a few things that say are multi part.. that have contact xyz for swapping at 123-4567... whatever, in the directory listing.
i'm not messing with the demos or whatever themselves as hopefully most numbers are obsolete and it would be a shame to doctor them. hopefully most people are responsible enough not to call numbers, and instead leave them a message on here.
it's common sense, although the scener probably doesn't live there, maybe their parents still do as a lot of people were in their teens when they were doing things.
thankfully TMR made my profile and had the common sense not to include my address etc.
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
I still think it's a bit of a shame to manipulate it. It's a major part of the culture.
If you really, really feel you have to, I think you should 'X' out the relevant parts, nothing more. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
although this Chancer guy is going on my nerves with his e-mail crap I agree not to add exact address information anymore, wouldnt like to be bothered by some freako calling me up due to C64 crap from the 80s too.
The idea of removing personal data from the releases themselves is absolutely unrealistic, furthermore anyone who ever published his real address in a public release which is spread world wide has to face the consequences by himself. Noone would be addressed for pirating software anyhow, and parents getting called by phone.. what the fuck? Their son was a pirate in the 80s/90s...harharhar |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
"Their son was a pirate in the 80s/90s"
actually one was involved in the demo scene, and thats their extent.. shows lack of brains by him.
whats even funnier is r0ugh sent me a stupid little b1tch msg.. and then put me on ignore.lol
rOuGh
Who the f*** are you anyway bothering with your b***s*** about your nerdy friends? never heard of you, dont know you and I'm not interested in you.
ironically he's got the balls to post that to me privately, then put me on ignore and run away like a little pu$$y that he is.. yet seems to like posting peoples full details up, without their permission.
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
Make a new thread for that if you have to!
We are having a serious and productive discussion about important matters here.
A German "PLK" style address for instance, should anything be stripped from that? (e.g Antares 13)
I always assumed those were anonymous post office boxes. |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
tlr.. but plk's stopped being used?
it's different in that sense, i mean they just relate to a postbox and not the persons address.
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
It was a question. I have only assumed they were not identifiable. I'm not German so I don't know myself.
So you say they no longer exist at all? Then those would be safe to post at least.
That particular address help me a lot yesterday. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
I don't know if Chancer already described a PLK, I put him on my ignore list.
So, a PLK is kinda like Poste Restante in other countries, but instead of just having a name like THE PAPILLONS - POSTE RESTANTE getting all post coming to this address, you had a paper card stating a number like 125332 C and you received any post arriving to that number at the post office.
edit. and, yes they were absolutely anonym and free, you didnt have to make a contract like it is with usign a post box. I never heard they officially ceased to exist from the news, they just... hm... faded away... 8) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1054 |
Quote: although this Chancer guy is going on my nerves with his e-mail crap I agree not to add exact address information anymore, wouldnt like to be bothered by some freako calling me up due to C64 crap from the 80s too.
The idea of removing personal data from the releases themselves is absolutely unrealistic, furthermore anyone who ever published his real address in a public release which is spread world wide has to face the consequences by himself. Noone would be addressed for pirating software anyhow, and parents getting called by phone.. what the fuck? Their son was a pirate in the 80s/90s...harharhar
I'm sorry, but you really are an idiot, rough, you are putting tons of private information on your very ugly and useless emucrap website and now you claim "well you put your name+address in a demo in 1988, so you give up *every* right on your personal info", are you crazy?
and you *still* havent removed my full name from your site after I asked you nicely more than once.
so stop putting ppl in awkward positions, cause you are behaving like a fucking narc. remove *all* personal info from *everybody* unless they have given you explicit permission. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
any information which connects your personal info/name with your C64 nick-name is gone from Pirate's Portal, like you requested.
And why should I bother being called an idiot by someone whose stupid-smoked personality is obvious in every step of his Spankerz Heaven homepage. Take a look at the childish content in the posts of SH and then take a good thought. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1054 |
Quote: any information which connects your personal info/name with your C64 nick-name is gone from Pirate's Portal, like you requested.
And why should I bother being called an idiot by someone whose stupid-smoked personality is obvious in every step of his Spankerz Heaven homepage. Take a look at the childish content in the posts of SH and then take a good thought.
yes you did remove part if it, but yet my full real name is still on the people page. you even claimed you could not edit that.
I'm calling you an idiot as you still do not understand the importance of privacy these days, you as a fellow scener should understand that.
Reading your bullshit here shows you are indeed an idiot. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Listen, boy, if you don't get it that my statement about "parents who dont have to complain cos their son was a pirate" is a JOKE, that ain't my fault, complain to your mum, your wife, whomever, I don't care.
edit: and to make it clear for the slow ones: of course privacy is important for people who are now adults e.g. in their jobs when it is possible to find out via the net that the person they might want to take over was a software pirate which isnt seen as nothing nowadays, but instead as economical crime. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Addinf infos based on disknotes made in the 80/90s today on CSDB is of no use really. I personally do only add Hometown and Name to ppl, more is really not needed.
The scener/person itself should add more infos if he likes to him/herself.
Rough is doing a good job adding valuable entries to CSDB in order to preserve the scene we all took part of one way or another, but putting more info than needed is of no use - nor is calling eachother names in here. Really.
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
I'd not add any address (besides country) and telephone details. I'm not sure about the full name. To take privacy to the max, I would not add other people's full name either. I've not been a cracker, so personally I do not worry about my full name being here, but I can imagine other people do. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote:
edit: and to make it clear for the slow ones: of course privacy is important for people who are now adults e.g. in their jobs when it is possible to find out via the net that the person they might want to take over was a software pirate which isnt seen as nothing nowadays, but instead as economical crime.
And that's the issue here.
If somebody from the crackingscene is involved, don't add their full names to their csdb-profiles or on your own personal page.
Some people have moved on in their lives or are still active in another scene. Such info on a public website might get them into trouble.
That's not that difficult to understand? |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
scout.. i would have sent u a birthday/xmas card.. but i never had your address.. sorry m8.
so i figure i owe u 12 years worth? lol
for me , certain people i have no problem with them knowing me.. as i count them as friends.. but people who u don't know?!?! nah
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1054 |
Quote: Quote:
edit: and to make it clear for the slow ones: of course privacy is important for people who are now adults e.g. in their jobs when it is possible to find out via the net that the person they might want to take over was a software pirate which isnt seen as nothing nowadays, but instead as economical crime.
And that's the issue here.
If somebody from the crackingscene is involved, don't add their full names to their csdb-profiles or on your own personal page.
Some people have moved on in their lives or are still active in another scene. Such info on a public website might get them into trouble.
That's not that difficult to understand?
apparently it is very hard to understand, which is why idiot rough is still causing problems for me and others with his lame privacy violating website. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
It would be a good thing if name and such was stripped when not logged in. (In addition to just posting minor details like first name, general geographic area or area code of course)
This way it wouldn't be indexed by public search engines. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
TLRs suggestion is very good, a start in the right direction. |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1666 |
It is this way today. At least part of.
Currently the following fields will ONLY be displayed if you are logged in:
- Complete adress
- Brithday / day of death
- E-mail
- ICQ
- Phone (both)
- Website
Additional fields that should be hidden? |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
Maybe last name too? (i.e only show one word of the name field) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1736 |
Btw, sorry Perff. I only checked an entry with just a Full name.
Maybe even the whole name should be hidden? |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Ok - I guess its time to either censor some useless posts in here, close the thread or try asking you, kindly, to stop going bananas and insult eachother.
The topic is:Peoples number/adresses.
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1054 |
as my favorite scener has finally removed my real name from the greatest website ever, it is indeed time to get back on topic.
we are using handles for a reason, so everybody (especially public websites) should only use handles/groups. Personal information is private and should never be posted anywhere (this includes address,city,zip,country,areacode,phonenr,email,etc etc). If a person doesn't have a problem with his personal data posted on a website, he must give permission first. no permission == no personal data posted anywhere.
hiding personal data already present here on csdb for guests is a great idea and I hope it will be implemented asap.
Burglar/Success |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
*sigh* i thought this had been agreed on before.....
why can't people ask BEFORE they screw up the database? *yawn*
no, personal info shouldn't be added under any circumstances (unless you do it yourself, for your own entry ofcourse). that said i consider my full name very much private information.
perff: when not logged in ALL this stuff should be hidden, it's useless information for someone not logged in anyway (he is probably just looking for downloads). |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
I guess people need to remind themselves ONE of the ORIGINAL reasons of the purpose of the handle of a scener. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Sweet step from the admins to delete my post, but not the one from the crybaby.
Okay, once again this entry: Kotzbrocken
What about a yellow press headline 'Founder and Senior Manager of famous e-mail provider GMX involved in software crime in his youth'
Think about it, and the other far more irrelevant requests concerning privacy.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
the difference is that boris revealed it himself, long ago.
and privacy is a major concern and hardly irrelevant. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
I was not referring to Boris, but Karsten. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
same deal.
you can be very certain that all info about the "old crackers" which was added based on info from mws (or by him) has been approved by the respective persons. |
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Rough
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
I doubt that honestly. But it's fine with me, the more information inside the database, the better. |
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Trazan
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 620 |
Quote: I doubt that honestly. But it's fine with me, the more information inside the database, the better.
In some cases, related to C64 Yes.
Personal Infos; No!
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