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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
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Screenshot sizes
I asked this a year ago or something, but never got a reply. Would it be possible to increase the maximum screenshot size on release pages to 404x292 (full border setting in VICE)? |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Would you please elaborate on why you'd want to have more border on the screenshot? |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Mace: Would you please elaborate on why anyone'd not want to show the entire border area as it looks on the real machine? |
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null
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Quote: Mace: Would you please elaborate on why anyone'd not want to show the entire border area as it looks on the real machine?
I'm sorry to say this, but I haven't ever seen a c64 that shows the same area as full border setting in vice.. not even on the BP'08 bigscreen...
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
The thing is, that many releases in the past (especially the old stuff) had not really been checked for raster-timing bugs and they would likely expose on a screenshot in full/debug border, which would ruin the attraction imo. Not everyone had a commodore monitor to check those things.
It can go for stuff that had been full-border examined though, I guess. |
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assiduous
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404x292 is abit excessive,particularly the number of visible lines at the top of the screen- i wonder how the vice team calculated these values,even the vic article by Christian Bauer says that the vic-II displays 284 lines. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quoting KnoekiI'm sorry to say this, but I haven't ever seen a c64 that shows the same area as full border setting in vice.. not even on the BP'08 bigscreen...
The Philips CM-8833-II and Commodore 1901 monitors certainly do, at least horizontally.
Quoting assiduousi wonder how the vice team calculated these values
They didn't, Krill coded the border patch. And there's this post where HCL details his findings as well. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
i'd rather like to see people using pal emulation for screenshots :) |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
Speaking of PAL blending, the old one in Vice is quite unexact as it does not take into account which colour is on odd or even lines. In the new one in VicePlus it does it more acurate but slow as fuck :/ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
the funny thing is, the speed thing is a genuine windows problem.... install linux in vmware and run viceplus there - and it will be a lot faster (!). |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078 |
gpz: how about we get an Add PAL Filter button on the edit page? :)
Hmm, with javascript and the canvas it could probably even be done client side... :) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I think screenshots without PAL look much more attractive.
For me, the whole screenshot thing on CSDb is perfectly ok.
No need to change. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
The thing is, screenshots showing the border look like shit with todays dimension limits. It's a very small tweak that won't affect layout noticably, why not do it? |
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
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Quote: The thing is, screenshots showing the border look like shit with todays dimension limits. It's a very small tweak that won't affect layout noticably, why not do it?
only those showing the FAR border look bad,standard 384x271 screenshots look OK |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote: only those showing the FAR border look bad,standard 384x271 screenshots look OK
Not an argument, since fixing it so the full border shows takes no time at all. |
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Mantiz
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Registered: Apr 2006
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Radiantx has a good suggestion backed up by some very valid arguments, showing full borders as they would show up on a good monitor or TV is not a bad idea. I don't understand what people are afraid of. If there are bugs like rasterflicker or bad timing, let it be so. The quality of the release will not change because of the screenshot. There are already "normal" (as in VICE-normal) border screenshots with visible mistimings. Seems more like a prestige thing to not give in on this one. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
i've sent perff a PM so he'll fix the limits :) |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
While we are at it..
Are screenshots from real c64 still forbidden, only emu-screenshots allowed?
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
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can you provide a screen shot from a real C64 having a quality comparable to that of the emulators ? |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1078 |
A C64 connected with S-Video to a capture card gives you a nice, crisp screenshot. |
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assiduous
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Registered: Jun 2007
Posts: 343 |
in 404x292 ? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:
Are screenshots from real c64 still forbidden
who says they are forbidden? personally i'd prefer them even :)
edit: max screenshot size updated ... |
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yago
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 333 |
Quote: Quote:
Are screenshots from real c64 still forbidden
who says they are forbidden? personally i'd prefer them even :)
edit: max screenshot size updated ...
Well last Time I tried to upload a frame grabbed from real thing, i was opposed, afaik even some rules were thrown at me.
Anyway, I take your Mod-Word, and will use realthing-screendumps in teh future.
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