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TDM
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Wanted: Emulator that can display FLI and...
I need a C=64 emulator that can display FLI graphics *AND* handle .D64 and/or .T64 files.
It must be able to run in either native Windows XP or the DOS prompt available from that OS.
Does any such critter exist?
If so, link please? ;) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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huh, tdm where have you lived in the past times, in alone on an island without internet ? :)
http://www.viceteam.org/#download
and it can do much much more then what you've asked for :) |
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TDM
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I was just in the process of downloading Vice when I read your reply!!! :) |
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Scout
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Quote: I was just in the process of downloading Vice when I read your reply!!! :)
Forum pollution!!!
* CSDb is now known as comp.sys.cbm
FFS! :-(
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TDM
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I just ran Vice...it prints the following on the screen:
VICE Version 1.20.
Official VICE homepage: http://www.viceteam.org/
D:\VICE>
And that's it. :( |
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Tch
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Just run x64.exe in your Vice-folder in WindowsXP. ;) |
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TDM
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That didn't do the trick... :(
It just opens a DOS window momentarily, then closes it.
I tried rebooting the computer (a recommended "fix" for a lot of troubles), but that didn't do the job either. :( |
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Tch
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It helps downloading WINvice,I think. |
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TDM
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I already did that; WINVice just does nothing (visibly anyway) when the C= icon is clicked on. :(
I clicked on all of the other C= icons in that directory just for {vulgar term for multiple feces} and giggles, and had the same response - which was nothing at all. :( |
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PopMilo
Registered: Mar 2004
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Did you use this?
http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/crossplatform/emulators/..
If it doesnt work, just leave it, go out to a pub and have few drinks, that will help for sure :) |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
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TDM, reinstall WinXP, that should do the trick. ;-)
Or try about every other emulator out there, they all can do FLI and D64/T64. ;-)
www.ccs64.com
www.hoxs64.com |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
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Hoxs64 is really the only alternative to VICE. But VICE should work, something is severely wrong with the system if it doesn't start. |
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AmiDog
Registered: Mar 2003
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Maybe he tried to run VICE from an XP "compressed folder" without extracting the archive first... |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
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I think Vice works for me as well.. hmmm.. let's see.. *Click*. Yes it works :D. One more day together with vice, i think i can stand it :). |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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Dude, that sounds damn wierd but it could be explained! I also had the same exact problem when Oswald stole my exe files and replaced them with random images from Pouet. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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its a known bug. delete vice.ini (or whatever the config file is called in windose) and run it again. |
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TDM
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Quote: its a known bug. delete vice.ini (or whatever the config file is called in windose) and run it again.
I went to c:\windows, c:\windows\system, and c:\windows\system32 and did a "dir v*.ini" and came up empty in all three subdirectories. :(
I also checked for all .ini files in the Vice subdirectory, and found nothing.
I downloaded and unzipped Vice v1.20 that popmilo linked to here, double-clicked on the C= icon for X64 from Windows Explorer, and it does the exact same thing as it did yesterday...it sits there for a second and then returns my cursor to the upper-left arrow (the "system idle" cursor). |
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T.M.R
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VICE's ini file is kept within it's own directory. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: VICE's ini file is kept within it's own directory.
If Mr. TDM downloaded the MSDOS binaries instead of the Windows binaries he deserves an anti-demo too.
Dunno, but i have this feeling.
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TDM
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Quote: Hoxs64 is really the only alternative to VICE. But VICE should work, something is severely wrong with the system if it doesn't start.
I tried that yesterday, and I'm trying that right now...it does not display FLI graphics properly, and it is apparently incompatible with the VMax Fastload routine that I used in all of my megademos. :-p |
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TDM
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Quote: VICE's ini file is kept within it's own directory.
Then I'll do a systemwide search for it, and delete it if it comes up...I'll edit this post with my findings. |
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Tch
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Don´t bother.
Seems there is no INI file with Vice V1.20..
Just downloaded it,was still working with V1.14.
But I don´t get it why it doesn´t work.
Click,works for me.. |
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TDM
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Quote: Then I'll do a systemwide search for it, and delete it if it comes up...I'll edit this post with my findings.
Well, this BBS would not let me edit, so I'll have to add a new post.
I did a systemwide search for "v.ini" and came up empty. :(
It must start with a letter other than "v". |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: Well, this BBS would not let me edit, so I'll have to add a new post.
I did a systemwide search for "v.ini" and came up empty. :(
It must start with a letter other than "v".
VICE.INI GODDAMMIT!
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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Well, using XP from the command line seems like a wierdo elite haxxor skill to me. Yet on the other side, even Leon managed to download and start WinVice, so I sense some kind of conflicting areas here. |
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TDM
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Quote: VICE.INI GODDAMMIT!
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Well, vice.ini is not on this pee-cee, and I checked both hard drives too, g*ddammit!!! |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: Well, vice.ini is not on this pee-cee, and I checked both hard drives too, g*ddammit!!!
Just give it up.
Please. For the rest of us too. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
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This starts to remind me of this thread: http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=2093&page=1
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cavey
Registered: Jul 2002
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scout.. ease up a little, why don't you?
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cavey
Registered: Jul 2002
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Quote: That didn't do the trick... :(
It just opens a DOS window momentarily, then closes it.
I tried rebooting the computer (a recommended "fix" for a lot of troubles), but that didn't do the job either. :(
use cmd.exe
go to the dir where you installed (win)vice to, and fire up x64 from the commandline. This should prevent the window from closing. Makes it SOOOOOOOOO much easier to troubleshoot.
Besides, have you actually checked say, an included README file, the online manual etc for troubleshooting hints?
Seems to me you're just blindly clicking like a kip-zonder-kop...
(Yes, I consider it basic knowledge for people like us, that when a program in the Windows OS starts up a console, but dies immediately, and thus killing the console window... to use the bloody cmd.exe/command.com manually so at least you will see whatever kind of debug messages there are. AND you will have some control over commandline options). |
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TDM
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I did that, and the program simply returns me to the DOS prompt at once, with no error messages of any type displayed. :(
Here's a screen dump (yes, it's really called that) I just took. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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@TDM: why don't you try using CCS64?
http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/CCS64%20V3.1%20Install.zip
http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/CCS64%20V3.1.zip (no installer) |
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TDM
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Quote: @TDM: why don't you try using CCS64?
http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/CCS64%20V3.1%20Install.zip
http://www.computerbrains.com/ccs64/CCS64%20V3.1.zip (no installer)
I've already tried that program...it does support .D64 and .T64 if I remember correctly, but it doesn't "do" FLI. :( |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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Seems it handles FLI pretty well. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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What TDM forgets is that he's from the USA (= NTSC).
So his old FLI stuff will look fuxx0red as PAL is set by default.
He's has to configure his emu to NTSC first.
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cavey
Registered: Jul 2002
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man... I was hoping vice would display some sane debug stuff (maybe there's a switch? try x64 /? or -h --help or someother form).
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
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tdm why are you using a command prompt to use vice???
download vice and extract it to a folder on your desktop called winvice ok(dont use version 1.20 as i had alot of problems with that version) i recommend 1.19.
open the folder and make a shortcut for x64.exe
then place the shortcut on your desktop.
double click the shortcut and it should work fine!!! |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
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also give me an example of what your trying to run and ill see what mine does.
what mode are you using pal?? or ntsc?? |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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Yeah, and don't forget to delete vice.ini! *sigh*
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
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also vice.ini should be in the vice folder so i'm assuming either you got a bad copy of vice or you extracted it wrongly!!
send me your addy and ill send you another versin that def works |
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TDM
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Quote:
Seems it handles FLI pretty well.
This is what I see when I attempt to run CCS64:
Yes, I run Windows XP; I have the desktop style set for an older version because I don't care for the candy-colored style that's default in XP. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Alright...
Have tried installing/upgrading to Microsoft DirectX 9?
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jailbird
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I'm not sure about Vice, but CCS64 requires Direct X v9.0, do you have it installed? |
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TDM
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Quote: Alright...
Have tried installing/upgrading to Microsoft DirectX 9?
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I don't know if I have DirectX 9, so I installed it...still the same...let me try rebooting and see what happens...BBS...
nope, that didn't do the job. :-( |
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cavey
Registered: Jul 2002
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lol.. with windows XP, you're bound to have DX9 (unless you forgot to run windows update a long long time ago)
hmm, maybe he's the beerlord! |
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TDM
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I just got WinVice working, but I haven't yet figured out how to load anything.
Typing LOAD"$",8 gives me a ?FILE NOT FOUND ERROR.
OK, I got it working...but it still does not properly display the FLI in my Warp Damage demo.
I'll shoot a short video of it and post the link here shortly. |
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TDM
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http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/seventh/warpdama.avi
File length: ~1.1MB (1,228,540 bytes). |
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TDM
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Well, I see that WinVice does not like the VMax fastloader routine I used in most of my megademos. :p |
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maestro
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go options, video standard then ntsc-m and that works fine tdm!! did you use the winvice i sent you?? |
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TDM
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AH HA!!!
It works!!!!!! :)
Thank you for pointing that out to me!!!!!!!!! :D
PS: Yes, I used the WinVice you sent me. :)
The FLI pictures come out correctly and the music sounds right. I ran Warp Damage and AIDS Demo (both demos have FLI graphics) to check this. :)
WinVice still crashes when it encounters my VMax 1541 fast loader routine, but I can load individual pages of the affected megademos. |
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cavey
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have you tried the "drive settings"->"enable true drive" emulation? |
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TDM
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Just tried that - and made certain "True drive emulation" was checked; still no go.
But as long as FLI functions properly (and it does), I'll be a happy camper (which I am). :) |
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Graham
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Try other drive types. Some loaders only work on specific drive models, so also test 1541-II or 1571. |
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TDM
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Quote: Try other drive types. Some loaders only work on specific drive models, so also test 1541-II or 1571.
What do you know...IT WORKS!!!
I set the drive type to "1541-II" and my VMax fastload routine works!!! :-D
I think it's a bit queer because I wrote these demos to have the fastload routine work on a standard 1541 (I've never used or even seen a 1541-II), but there must be some differences in the Commodore ROM DOS between the 1541 and 1541-II in WinVice, because that's what I changed it to in order for VMax to function as it should. :)
(Edit, later the same day)
I suppose it is possible that Commodore DOS differed between the Alps and Newtronics drives...the drives I used were Newtronics ones with the lever that turned instead of that spring-loaded latch as found on the Alps drives. So WinVice might be emulating the Alps drive software - and if the DOS was different, that might cause my VMax fastloader to fail in WinVice when the standard 1541 emulation is selected. |
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Graham
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Loaders also may fail because of slower drive mechanics (if your routines try to move the head too fast) or different bus timings on different drives. Coding serial routines like raster routines is almost a guarantee that it will not work on all drives, because the drive has an own clock which may differ from drive to drive. |
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TDM
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I did not code any of the serial routines; they should have all been kernal ROM calls...but I didn't write the VMax fast load program (I honestly do not know *WHERE* that program came from or who wrote it); so there is a slight possibility that the serial routines in the VMax fastloader bypassed the kernal ROM serial routines. |
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Graham
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Every fastloader bypasses the kernal routines. |
