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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Release id #150735 : I Am the Flashing C64 Cursor +D
The "discussion" in the comments section escalated quickly, so it was moved here, where it kind of belongs. The comment section should be about the release itself only, not the game that was cracked or philosophy about what should be released or not.
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 4 October 2016
Whilst the heart of the release group might be in the right place. I think this might be a bit too much also (I respect we have our own ideas on what we should release and not release, with our own reasons).
I agree that a lot of people are unfortunately (in my view) favourable on this style (albeit people not from the cracking scene); I am curious on people *in* or have been in the cracking scene and their views, will they be as supportive? Possibly people do not want to rock the boat and keep their thoughts to themselves?
This could be a broader discussion for the forums: e.g. releasing games made by members of own group, releasing CSDb games (when and when not to). Releasing games code in Basic etc. Of course people can do what they want. We all have made errors in judgement, but how to get the quality/baseline tradition back?
I guess such a forum blog would be difficult, people may want to piss on each others shoes etc rather than getting back to oldschool (whatever that used to be).
Anyway, hoping not to have a heated discussion but a healthy debate.
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Submitted by Fungus [PM] on 4 October 2016
This is not a "discussion" I am making a comment on the quality of this game and this release. It is my opinion, if you don't like it tough shit.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 3 October 2016
I don't agree, of course. It's a unique meta level take, and a cool nerdy game. But this "discussion" should move to the forum instead if you would like to continue. It seems more people are liking it, so your view is not universal, quite the opposite. If you have more to say about what we should do and not, please send a PM and I can ignore it in peace without disturbing the rest of the population.
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Submitted by Fungus [PM] on 3 October 2016
I don't need to read the fucking manual, this is shit and not worthy of releasing.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 3 October 2016
rtfm ;)
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Submitted by Fungus [PM] on 3 October 2016
This isn't even worthy of dinasours. Is this what the scene has come to? You should be ashamed of releasing this. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2924 |
Quoting JazzcatMaybe remove the comments field?
The staff discussed and had an informal vote about doing just that in May of this year. Ultimately four staffers agreed it would be a good change, one didn't like the idea of change -- and the rest remained silent.
Killing the comments would mean far less moderation for the staff and less ragequit/butthurt for users.
Quoting ZeSmasher- a few days ago, before this discussion started, I asked Perff if it was possible to let the uploader choose if he/she wants comments or not. a bit like on youtube, when sometimes you see "comments are disabled for this video". he wasn't enthusiastic about the idea
Yeah, I asked Perff about similar things years ago.
I believe uploaders should be able to toggle comments and votes on or off for an entry and have advocated for these changes since going the staff. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 243 |
make csdb less attractive for people, lets disable comments /o\
even the analogie to youtube is wrong. people load up stuff from other sceners / group too. thats not (or shall not:D ) the case at youtube. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
<Post edited by hedning on 5/10-2016 19:46>
Pmaker: In my opinion CSDb needs to be more attractive for archivers, uploaders and people that work with the database in one way or another - filling up with credits, checking uploads, fix problems etc.
If it's less attractive to inproductive chatters, drama-makers, whiners and trolls would perhaps make it more attractive for the first people I mentioned above. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2924 |
Quoting Peacemakermake csdb less attractive for people, lets disable comments
Then people need to start using comments the way Perff intended them to be used - not for ongoing discussion.
When they don't follow this SIMPLE rule and get censored - they whine, bitch, and claim a RAWR RAGEQUIT!!!1 unless their comments are restored. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
So is 'I do not like this crack' and acceptable comment by the moderators standards?
Open for discussion is to reduce points for smaller releases too? I mean some of this stuff barely compares against a standard game "preview" :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
Quote:Abandon the cracker scene
fixed it |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
Abandon the Internet, return to snail mail trading and dial-up BBS. |
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
Rage Quit over comments, lol nice one.
The comments are useless except to heap praise, hate or other opinions on a release. They aren't used for anything else, and can always be considered a "discussion". I don't know what Perff intended them to be for, maybe you could elaborate on it so we can stick to your "rules" whatever they are.
It seems to me all you want is a circle jerk of praise no matter the quality of any release so as not to hurt the feelings of any of the delicate flowers. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it and I'm not the only one either. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2924 |
Quoting FungusRage Quit over comments, lol nice one
You can laugh about it, but we've had a few people here get pissed because their off-topic ramblings were cleaned from an entry and then they threaten things like ...
"I'm going to take my disks and never log in again!!1"
"Fuck you guys, come and fight me!!1"
"I'm asking if it's possible that you don't ever touch any comments or votes in any releases from me or from my group without first discussing with me"
etc. etc.
Some of these people are quite well known sceners that don't seem to understand - CSDb isn't their playground, the rules apply to them, and the moderation will continue when warranted no matter how much they rant.
As for the rules, they've been posted for years and years and with a few clicks anyone can find them from the menu at the top of the page. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
uhmmmz, I think I could recognize the style in one of those quotes...
the advice to read and understand the rules is good, for both users and mods :) |
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