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Slartibartfast
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Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 230 |
** Link removed by CSDb staff due to copyright. Please do not provide download links to this **
Well, there has been a few of these notices today, on certain Protovision releases that have been cracked and released by some people on CSDb.
Cracking has always been a large part of the scene, arguably the biggest and also what has ultimately ensured the scene to exist today.
If it weren't for cracking, piracy if you will, many games simply wouldn't be available on the web today. The C64dtv wouldn't have much of a lineup, all the games on it were cracks from the scene.
Now this issue has come to CSDb again, over old releases of Protovision games. Download links removed, to files which are definitely a part of the scene.
I can understand the policy on this, it's a way to protect CSDb against legal action. Other sites, for instance GB64, have tackled this by not hosting the files and just providing links to them.
But CSDb won't allow even that, if someone has an issue with their copyrighted work being available, the links will be removed. Even links provided by the user in their comment to the entry, will be censored and removed.
There is nothing regarding this policy in the CSDb FAQ, yet there is this disclaimer:
"Who's responsible for this?
We cannot take responsibility for the content of this database as all information is submitted by users."
So, that says straight out that CSDb is not responsible for the content.
It can be said that this is a way to protect CSDb in future, but from whom exactly? Can anyone honestly see Chronosoft or Protovision sueing anyone? Or if this is a measure to protect CSDb, could it go further and remove all cracks from the site?
On the other hand, CSDb are just trying to protect themselves, from Protovision apparently. Should we take the old debate over piracy directly to Protovision? As sceners themselves, they should know better than to be taking on this issue against sceners. Don't we all know by now that the people who would download these cracks, are not the same people that would buy it? That some of the people that get the game for free may even consider buying it at a later point?
One of the Protovision founders was a cracker himself, other members have been crackers, swappers or undoubtedly recipients of pirated software themselves.
This seemed to start with Macgyver altering a release of a PTV game here yesterday. A member of Protovision and also a CSDb admin. He was a swapper in the past.
Is this censorship really necessary? Do Protovision really think they would lose sales of these games, does CSDb really think there is any threat of legalities from an admin of this site?
This is an issue that strikes deep with many in the scene, and this site is an essential part of the scene today.
Surely there must be a better way to deal with this.
So let's discuss it here rather than in comments on these censored releases ;) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Imagine you are walking down the street seeing beautiful sexy woman. Long legs, high heels, and tight (excuse moi) ass in skirt just so short that it hides her pants. Beatiful hair (of your favourite colour, length and shape).. etc. etc. you know the idea.. you are walking faster than her, so in fem moments she is behind you, so if you look behind (carefuly) you can see her face. Sometimes it happens that it's a disappointing experience. And you maybe think, only if I haven't looked behind.. the illusion would stay perfect, forever. And that's how it is with some ex-sceners. Not many of them. I met only few in my life. They would maybe maintain their well deserved respect and appreciaton forever, only if they didn't "open their mouth"...
Of course, that doesn't mean that I shouldn't keep my mouth closed in some situations.
Does this mean that Crossfire looks like a sexy girl with long legs in a tight skirt from the back? No wonder that Duke liked working with him so much :)
Anyway, to answer a question: the reason *I* still code on the c64 (well, try to) is not because of nostalga, or for fame, but just because I think there's still so much more that can be done on this machine, and I'm not talking effects here ofcourse (as if anybody really would expect that from me). |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 254 |
man. high heels are so fucking unsexy.
needed to post this. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: man. high heels are so fucking unsexy.
needed to post this.
Appearantly they are on Crossfire.
Or should that be Crossdressers?
Man, I'm confused. And I blame Duke .. |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
Totally agree with TDJ on this one!
Why do people still run marathons?
Not to get somewhere,but to actually DO IT!
I think the same applies here.
It remains a challenge and as Tsunami has shown,there is enough room for improvement.
"The lemon has been squeezed,but there is plenty of juice left!" |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 254 |
life is too short not to do stuff one enjoys a lot. i dig doing stuff for the scene and i like what i get back. the creative output is massive and it is amazing to say the least to be part of it.
trying to find other factors of why to do stuff for the scene is stupid. live that life of yours. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
CreaMD: You get the talk 'shit of the year' award from me. Well done. |
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Crossfire
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Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 221 |
Quote: Appearantly they are on Crossfire.
Or should that be Crossdressers?
Man, I'm confused. And I blame Duke ..
You were BORN confused ;-) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: You were BORN confused ;-)
Duke is my father?
Could have sworn he is younger then me. Now I'm REALLY confused .. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: CreaMD: You get the talk 'shit of the year' award from me. Well done.
For finally finding a well fitting parallel...
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
CreaMD: doesn't justify anything. Your ignorant and disrespectful (and seem to get on most people's nerves).
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