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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935 |
Release id #102925 : Legion's Intro
<sigh>
Stop using .prg files, I'm getting tired of this, I keep on removing them, instead of somebody just doing it right from the start ;(
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
"@groepaz: Try it. "You can only answer once from this IP address.""
what? the point was: whatever comes out of this survey, it doesnt matter. if perff wants to make a survey on how to run the site, then he will do one, here, right on the site. until then the rules are there, and they exist for a reason. its all about preservation too. |
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TPM
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 110 |
PRG can be dragged into VICE.. i find that really easy to check something quickly, so i'm not bothered when PRG's are being used. But for preserving-matters D64 is ofcourse the best way to do it, so i say D64 too :) |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: PRG can be dragged into VICE.. i find that really easy to check something quickly, so i'm not bothered when PRG's are being used. But for preserving-matters D64 is ofcourse the best way to do it, so i say D64 too :)
D64's can also be dragged into Vice.
The point is all about preservation: with PRG's you can't preserve the original, intended filename (PETSCII included).
In D64's you can. |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
But it loads "*",8,1 which is ok in 80% cases, but could also load junk.
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
Quote: But it loads "*",8,1 which is ok in 80% cases, but could also load junk.
Whatever.
The main and most important message in my post was the preservation bit.
What always seems to be forgotten is that preservation is the core purpose of this CSDb.
Endless bitching about <insert your favorite topic here> seems to overshadow that purpose every once in a while.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
indeed. that btw means that is 100% irrelevant how convinient it is to doubleclick on a file. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
Actually just coming up with "easier to handle for the real machine" and "better to start with VICE" as justification for PRG makes me *fp* (and I only have like 10 or so different VICE startup commands with varying configs)
Whenever you upload your own material nobody will complain about .prg being your choice, but loosing any character or formatting from the originally chosen filename(s) of a third party production is definately critical. No need to argue about that at all as ppl pointed out very well already.
PS: and we also want to be able to rant on possible spelling mistakes the original namecreator probably did. :)
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 437 |
What if I create and compile my one file one-file demo entirely on non-C64 machine? Then "the preservation" bit is entirely irrelevant. Uploading .prg would be perfectly valid in this case.
So, how about being a bit more constructive and ask or "remind" the user to upload .d64 if possible (giving the reasons for preservation) but ultimately leave it open for own releases. Sighing and moaning "read the rules" doesn't really help engaging the users ;-)
@moderators: You seem to take CSDB very personally, how about being a bit more open to users' suggestions? :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
your own release you can obviously name as you want. this is all about other peoples (usually old) releases.
and yes, just like on every other website, those who run the site also make the rules. and like on every other website they implement those ideas from users that they like, and ignore the ideas which they think are bad.
as for reminding, go back to the first post =P |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
@Groepaz.
After the survey is finished, I'll send the results to the admins, for their consideration. Whatever happens, happens. I don't have any power here, but I'm still allowed to express my opinion backed by the survey, right?
@Scout.
As far as preservation goes, common sense tells me it's more important to preserve the content than the form. People don't get excited at demoparties watching PETSCII filenames (the only exception of course being my stylish dir designs, hehe). Also, stop bitching about others sharing a viewpoint that is different from yours which you consider bitching ;)
@Acidchild.
I understand your point, I really do. But you're also making an assumption that is wrong. I started transferring and collecting before there was csdb, in the era of DOS 8.3 filenames, therefore my typical dir looks something like this:
2000-08-29 10:51 174˙848 7YEARS.D64
2011-11-23 18:51 0 a.txt
2000-07-09 01:09 174˙848 ANALIN#1.D64
2000-07-09 01:10 174˙848 ANALIN#2.D64
1998-02-24 19:09 40˙075 ANALSCAN.PRG
2000-07-09 01:06 174˙848 ATTACKO2.D64
2000-07-09 00:22 174˙848 ATTACKO3.D64
2000-07-09 01:18 174˙848 ATTACKOF.D64
2000-07-09 00:18 18˙318 CHARLATA.PRG
2000-07-09 01:09 174˙848 DEJAVU.D64
2000-07-09 00:17 49˙227 DEMONOMA.PRG
2000-07-09 00:18 16˙917 GALLUP88.PRG
2000-07-09 01:10 11˙172 HOLYSPI4.PRG
2000-07-08 23:50 43˙337 INSANITY.PRG
2000-07-09 01:08 11˙857 LETKU.PRG
2000-07-09 00:19 174˙848 MEETIN97.D64
2000-07-09 01:10 174˙848 MORPHOSI.D64
2000-07-09 01:12 174˙848 MYSTIC.D64
1998-03-13 10:20 5˙303 NEWINTRO.PRG
2000-07-09 01:08 7˙719 NOBLITTE.PRG
2000-07-09 01:12 174˙848 NOTHINGB.D64
2000-07-09 01:13 174˙848 OHNOMORE.D64
1998-02-24 15:58 25˙948 ONEYEAR.PRG
2000-07-09 00:18 27˙145 OPERABLE.PRG
2000-07-09 01:07 174˙848 PARTYTRA.D64
2000-07-09 00:18 13˙659 SOLOACID.PRG
2000-07-08 23:49 17˙968 SPLITTER.PRG
2000-08-29 10:50 174˙848 STUBIDO.D64
2000-08-29 10:51 174˙848 STUBIDO2.D64
2000-07-09 00:17 11˙541 TOUCHY.PRG
2000-08-29 10:51 174˙848 TYPICAL.D64
2001-07-27 09:42 1˙684 WARELIST
...So no, in many cases I don't have the original PETSCII names, I have just full names typed in the above WARELIST file. Maybe my choice in 199x to do it this way was stupid, but unless you can lend me a time machine...
Of the choice: a) upload it as PRG because it's not there yet, or b) don't upload an entry because the PETSCII is not there anymore - I choose a) anyday. And putting them back into D64/T64, what is preserved? Nothing.
@all.
I'm not replacing anyone's files with PRGs. I'm just upping things that are not in the db, or fixing the corrupted ones, with the source files that I have. |
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