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2010-12-12 14:38
Sorex
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Compo and challenge rules

Howdy,

Just wondering...

If you have a challenge like that scroll or bbs gfx thing with a certain limit how is this limit counted?

if the limit is set to a 256 bytes program is then the actual filesize as seen on pc/mac/etc

256 (254+2 bytes load address)

or

258 (256+2 bytes load address) ?

imo the load address is not really part of the actual program.
 
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2010-12-12 15:02
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3194
wrong for me, 1block is not 256byte intro, that would make only 252 bytes available for code, 2 bytes are for the t/s link (or size if single block) and 2 for load address. To me 258 is the correct size for a 256 bytes intro, what matters is the size in memory of the loaded file (of course what it does to the whole memory after running doesn't count).
2010-12-12 15:04
Sorex
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so in that scroll thing it's 258 aswell?

which is where I'm at at the moment :)
2010-12-12 16:26
Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
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In the beginning I always counted only the data loaded into the C64 memory, which means 258b .prg filesize. Then I got some complaints from lamers on Pouet and decided to try to limit the .prg to 256, or even 254 to keep it within a disk block. But really I don't think meta data shouldn't be counted. Then we should also include the filename etc.
2010-12-12 17:03
Sorex
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ok thanks, so we bend for noobs? :)

I've added 3 of them in the d64, it's in the releases part of this site.
2010-12-12 18:34
Ninja

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 411
Nonono, I never said 256-byters should have one block. I say there shouldn't be 256-byter on C64 ;)) (And for the topic matter: I would just consider the 256 byte on a C64; why should it matter how much bytes are occupied on a different system? What about a D64 then?)
2010-12-13 10:50
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648
When I did the "tinysids" (some 256 byte music compo that were held a while ago) I always made sure to make them fit within one block on the disk. That filesize of "1" looks so neat....and wasting that second block with only 2 bytes of data or so is such a horrible waste of data. ;)
2010-12-13 11:07
Devia

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401
Should be 1 block imo.. The load address can be (ab)used too and thus should be counted. And yes the 1 block count in the dirlist looks neat ;-)
2010-12-13 11:22
enthusi

Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677
so let's vote to rename that entry category since 256b IS different from one block and rises the question of load address every time...
2010-12-13 12:54
JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014
Load addy vs. ELF/PE-header
T/S link vs. inode/fat/ntfs-entry

With that in mind it should be 256 bytes including load addy. But 1 block in the dir list do look neat, however a 256b .prg file also looks neat and that for more users/viewers aswell.

Lucky windows-dudes can use .com-files however which have no header, good for them....
2010-12-13 20:20
TNT
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Quoting Cruzer
Then we should also include the filename etc

Yes we should if code doesn't work if you do LOAD":*",8,8 instead of typing that strange-looking 16-char filename in full. JSR ($00bb) anyone... ;)
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