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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Trusted people to do CSDb Development
There have been many feature requests and zero response and changes. Why is CSDb so hostile with the users and why cant someone take over Perff's job and do some development from time to time ? Whats happening behind the scenes ? |
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
It's a lack of time. |
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FATFrost
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Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 211 |
Can we have some html5 demo effects please? or a sidplay now playing display for each person logged in?? |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3193 |
if i was perff i would have you all put in ignore ;) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
Quoting FatFrostCan we have some html5 demo effects please? or a sidplay now playing display for each person logged in??
Certainly also want CSDb to be hooked up to a coffee pot and each login have coffee sent through the "tubes" of the internet directly to the brain of the scener who just logged in with a coffee shot! That is doable also and won't bog down the server!
Also, have CSDb check grammar, especially for run on sentences, and have it auto correct such issues with Vulcan text!
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
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As long as the grammar checker won't also scan all C64 files (esp. German and Polish demos) I vote 'No.'. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: It's a lack of time.
so it would be better to hand it over to someone else who is truated and has the time and knowledge. also it would be nice to have a response like "sorry guys no time, etc" :) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
CSDb v2.0! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:so it would be better to hand it over to someone else who is truated and has the time and knowledge.
so do YOU have the knowledge and time and are willing to spend it on csdb? and if not, whats the point of this thread? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
if I had the knowledge I'd gladly implement some features, but I know shit of web development. Ofcourse it'd had to be a person who is willing. Fex. Jailbird is up to the task, but I guess he is not much into scene matters these days. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3193 |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1932 |
ian :)
Why even trusted people? Let just push the donate button hard and hire some russian lowlifes. Code review is much easier than making it all up again :) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1098 |
I dont think Perff wants help. and/or he's too scared to share the csdb codebase with others. I've only seen one feature added in the last 5 years (bbses) and that's it.
so its simple, csdb will remain uber slow with a crap interface.
its a shame really |
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Conjuror
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168 |
Has anyone written up a specification?
First step would be to define what would be involved to see just how big a task this would be (quite large I would suspect)
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
"If you build it, they will come.." |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Then there's the thing with integrity, censored statements and what not, available in the database only to Perff... I was once thinking thay maybe a public raw read only access of the whole db would perhaps spawn a CSDb 2 but I think it's naive nowadays... |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
I'm not talking of CSDb v2, but maybe it would be nice to have some of these implemented:
- comments, summaries, goofs, etc all on one page
- email on pm
- pm preview
- etc. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
We could also approach CSDb the way we do the C64: get as much as possible out of it without changing it. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
or we could just lie down and wait for death. |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Quote: We could also approach CSDb the way we do the C64: get as much as possible out of it without changing it.
Says a man who codes demos for c64 in an emu with a cross assembler, and has a retro replay cartridge and other fancy modern hardware for the c64..
(not specifically you mace, but could be anybody)
It comes by itself, one day people will be so tired of the old systems, that they will make new ones.. |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
It kind of all depends on how the current stuff is coded. I'd hate to offer to help only to be thrown into a big bowl of spaghetti ;)
eg changing what's displayed as default on a release's page "should" be really easy, as should email on PM..
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
Posts: 229 |
Trusted people and CSDB can't be combined in the same sentence. |
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bepp
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 265 |
Hey guys...
CSDB may not have the most modern interface, but it sure *knows* a lot. There's just so much data in it. There is also much functionality, both things that we can see and things that happen "under the hood".
I'm sure many of us can join in on the frustration sometimes felt by the responsiveness, lack of certain functions etc. Being a web developer myself, I have thought many times "Aw, that's so easy to fix". But the more and more I explore this site, the more I realize it's not just a simple web app that can be "fixed easily". CSDB is actually a pretty complex app. Adding to that, it is also stable. It works. Perhaps not the way some of us want it to work, but it works. It gets the job done. It takes care of storing and retrieveing our data.
I realize the complexity in doing changes to this site, whatever small change may be - unless there is a proper testing environment (and even then, it is hard..) Small changes may be easier to test of course, but larger changes will require a *lot* of regression testing (which is when you test all the *existing* functions). Who knows what other functionality will be affected if we add feature X to page Y? As Conjuror said, there's no specification, so it's not possible to perform solid regression testing.
I'm just saying I fully understand the hesitation to "fix" things on CSDB, unless something is broken. Whether it is lack of time or lack of whatever. It just isn't easy :)
Having that said, I think it is bad if the evolution of the site would stop for whatever reasons. There are so much more to do, so many great ideas. We have to to find a way to go forward. To continue the CSDB legacy, to improve and perfect it.
Next year CSDB celebrates 10 years online! TEN years! We're closing in on 100,000 releases! I know many people out there are hunting for lost disk boxes - in their quest to preserve all bits and pieces of "the scene".
CSDB is our mothership ftw!
I would like to extend my full respect to Perff, Kilroy and the rest of the guys who has built up this site in their spare time. It's an impressive amount of work you have put into this. So stay with us, spread the word so the legacy can continue!
I'd be happy to volunteer with my knowledge! |
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Celtic
Administrator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807 |
Thanks Bepp for this very thoughtfull statement. And i think most of what you say is very true.
I can also provide a bit of news. The going has been very slow due to some personal stuff but we are currently discussing how to make a save code-envirement for new people to help with csdb coding. When this is done we will look for people interested in helping code for the csdb.
Yes we are slow, but personally my philosphy is 'Slow and Steady'. So be patient, it will take some time, but we'll get there. |
