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2009-07-22 19:33
Wile Coyote
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Posting graphics on CSDb guidelines

Just an idea:
Personally I’d like to see all interlaced graphics be posted as either a 2 frame animated .gif (quite ugly) or 2 frames merged (the preferred choice). As posting interlaced graphics in hires misleads the viewer.

Another idea I think could work:
All images uploaded should meet an X, Y size guide (384 x 272 is ideal). Once uploaded, all images would be filtered, so that all 16 colour images use the same pallet. Likewise, Ifli, SHIF would be filtered so that they use a pre defined pallet.

Maybe this is asking too much, but I think it could work.
2009-07-22 19:52
assiduous
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"As posting interlaced graphics in hires misleads the viewer"- only if he dosent download the picture and votes for a crappy png screen shot... in other words,who cares ? posting merged frames is misleading aswell,people vote for png screen shots without even seeing the picture interlaced:

2009-07-23 08:00
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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screenshots should be posted as the name suggests - as a "shot" from the "screen" - which definately means no artificial hires pictures. (hooray for who uploads *real* screenshots)
2009-07-23 14:48
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
Photos of CRT or TFT displays are Teh Ugliest.
And it's a bit hard to have a screenshot of an interlaced picture without either mixing (yay!) or animating (boo!) the frames.
2009-07-23 14:57
Carrion

Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317
greopaz:
so you say the only real screenshot is a photo of my tv set showing my gfx?
in times of vice ruling around I just can't agree.
and for the screenshot from vice i preffer a image(gif, png) with 16 colours (in case of lace) rather that mixed laced colors which tell me nothing about the real colors a graphician used.
2009-07-23 15:07
algorithm

Registered: May 2002
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I think anyone that sees the note that the image is interlaced will rather try it out before making their judgement on just a picture.

2009-07-23 15:12
Sander

Registered: Jan 2002
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Deja vu.. Adding screenshots for interlaced pictures - the proper way!
2009-07-23 15:13
chatGPZ

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Quote:
for the screenshot from vice i preffer a image(gif, png) with 16 colours (in case of lace) rather that mixed laced colors which tell me nothing about the real colors a graphician used.


if you want to see how an ifli pictures looks like in zoom mode, then look at it in zoom mode. a screenshot should look like what is displayed on screen, really.
2009-07-23 15:40
Moloch

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2009-07-23 22:48
The Phantom

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@Moloch: hahahahaha.. Is that for real? Liquid Filled & Extra Sour!!! I love it!!!

(back to subject at hand)

If the snapshot is a real depiction of the artists work, why bother downloading it? IMHO, a crappy snappy should force a person to download the artwork, so they can see how that artist means for you to see it. Really, would you download someone's artwork if the image was exactly as it was shown on a c64, or would you just look at the image posted?

That's my 2 cents worth :D
2009-07-24 06:41
Wile Coyote
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@Moloch - Bubble gum Camel balls. How’d that even make to the shelves.

@The Phantom - If that’s your view then that opens up allsorts of alternative options:
1. No screen shots at all. Audio cannot not be played until its downloaded, so why not apply the same rules to images ;)
2. Post only .jpg images of photo’s taken direct from tv / monitor screens (no emulator screen grabs)

Either way, I prefer to see screen shots. (back to my original post) which focused on interlaced graphics, and how they could appear here on CSDb

I’m quite impressed with VICE when the settings are set to:
Double Size
Double Scan
PAL Emulation
As it outputs something close to the real thing. Obviously TV’s / Monitors add that something extra, (especially when it comes to interlaced images)

Wouldn’t it be good if CSDb displayed 384x272 and 768x544. Instead of expanding the original 384x272 (which it does now) it took a 768x544 image, and resized it.

examples:



2009-07-24 07:42
Skate

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494
remember BBS times. hell with screenshots.
2009-07-24 10:30
jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578
Write it in stone for interlaced stuff:

- blurred 256 col. PNG as main screendump (ja)
- an optional download link to the dithered version
- animated gifs or whatever makes you happy - to the comments, production notes or trivia

Seems to me that some people still don't understand that the screenshots on this site are references to the real, C64 versions - no more, no less. And therefore, should be threated as such. What's the drama about?

2009-07-24 11:04
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
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extremely good point.
2009-07-24 11:55
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
With which I happily agree.
2009-07-24 13:27
The Phantom

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 360
@Wile Coyote: I think my point was missed, or I didn't make it clear enough, either way...

I prefer seeing a screen shot with each and every release. The quality of the screen shot shouldn't matter because you simply can't duplicate what you would see on a c64, is the point I was trying to make.
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