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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
X2016 bitching thread!!! MAKE SOME NOISE!!!
- real party is outside although there is meditation groups. i swear.
- spilled havanna club on jeans so when arriving back home girlfriend said i was smelling like a schnapsfabrik.
- walking into toilet room in the middle of the night with only socks on wasnt fun. i didnt care much.
- transfer team was nice and quick with my input64 disks. back home i notice its all D64s. DAMNIT WHAT WERE YOU THINKING :(
- i wasnt drunk enough for karaoke
- and last not least: NO FUCKING STREAM FOR THE SOFASCEENERS!!! MAKE SOME NOISE!!!! |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935 |
I will get popcorn and follow this ;-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
Bitching topic so... LFT should've won! ;) |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
Absolutely no complaints from my end. Apart from some people not being there, but that is nothing I can fault the orgas for. |
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hqn
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 22 |
The asshole who kept screaming to make noise. Fuck that guy! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
But what a lovely suit he sported! \:D/ |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
"walking into toilet room in the middle of the night with only socks on wasnt fun"
you forgot to take them of your penis before peeing? ;) |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Who tortured those poor speakers with Arkanoid on Friday night? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
"NO FUCKING STREAM FOR THE SOFASCEENERS!!! "
I have bad news, fulco broadcasted most of the compo on FB with his iphone :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
- No Penis in Socks
- Bonzai didnt recieve enough points
- Tuffi slept during the compo
- No Resource Demo in TOP10 |
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Xiny6581
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 73 |
Too many great demos! Too many great SIDs! Too many great graphicarts! Too many great concerts! Too many great productions released! I want more!!!
Oh, I just wanted to say thank for rocking another X-2016! Love you all <3 <3 <3 |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
Can you all please stop doing awesome demos out of a sudden, so that we can continue being #1? :-D
Walking with socks over peed ground rocks, if it is still warm. |
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Almighty God
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 18 |
Really lot of wares, high quality all of then, looks like the standards have risen very much during the years.
Was really a pity for Level 64 members from Canary Islands as we were waiting for the live streaming and we finish drunk playing girls game in C64 as there wasnot streaming.... :) muahhh jajajaa |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
playing with drunk girls is preferred over watching demos. |
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Acidchild
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 474 |
groepaz: maybe it's an idea to send me over those input-disks, maybe i can try to nibble them. |
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Aomeba
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 22 |
I loved it there, but where was the coffee? Finland requires coffee! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050 |
This event causes a big distraction. I'm being distracted now. And I will be in the evening and upcoming days. You distractors, you! |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
Aomeba, coffee was not in the main hall, but in one of the dorms, where we also served breakfast.
ok now some bitching from me: how on earth can we ever top a compo like this?! ;) |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
bitching? great! lets start with: for me that 5-stars rating system / voting doesnt work quite well. i had a hard time with the votes, because its not enough to differ correctly between the releases. i hardly ever vote the best or the worst. so in the end lotsa releases just got more or less the same "stars" from me.
10 stars is the shit! :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
Sorry for having looped 'Foregone Destruction' forever before MSL part. I was a bit occupied elsewhere ;) |
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Aomeba
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 22 |
Quote: Aomeba, coffee was not in the main hall, but in one of the dorms, where we also served breakfast.
ok now some bitching from me: how on earth can we ever top a compo like this?! ;)
Damned, this means I am officially dumb. We even asked at the main desk (where we signed up), and we were told there's no coffee.
It's not a major problem though, the party was great and especially the voting system worked smoothly. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
- Waking up with a terrible hangover being surrounded by laughing naked Poles in a small prison cell-esque room (tm) and your life flashing before your eyes |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
Quoting Linus- Waking up with a terrible hangover being surrounded by laughing naked Poles in a small prison cell-esque room (tm) and your life flashing before your eyes
'Nicht schießen!' xD |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
Quote: - Waking up with a terrible hangover being surrounded by laughing naked Poles in a small prison cell-esque room (tm) and your life flashing before your eyes
hahaha... wtf! no power to the drugs ;-) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
Quoting Yazoo... for me that 5-stars rating system / voting doesnt work quite well ... 10 stars is the shit! :)
With this many awesome demos, I think I agree...
And it's a small and easy change to do too. |
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Toggle
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 32 |
X2016 was excellent and almost an overkill of quality productions and great people to meet, but when I went to the X2015 last year I was all alone - seriously guys, get your shit together!!!!1111 |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
Toggle: At least like that you won all the entries :P |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
WTF!!! Don't ruin this thread with your praise BITCHES!
- no benzin to drink with Yazoo!
- fucking demo crashing because 1541-lame-o
- HOLGER!!!! |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
/me supports Yazoo's idea. 10 stars voting is ze poop for me too! |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
Quote: WTF!!! Don't ruin this thread with your praise BITCHES!
- no benzin to drink with Yazoo!
- fucking demo crashing because 1541-lame-o
- HOLGER!!!!
me bitches about groepaz not wanting to drink benzin with yazoo ;-) |
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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
Also no fucking photos yet that prove that Yazoo drinks sproutka!!!! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
It was cool to see Barracuda having his own party with his own tunes all the time ;) |
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Savvy/Xenon
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Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 2 |
Quoting AomebaI loved it there, but where was the coffee? Finland requires coffee!
Quoting BurglarAomeba, coffee was not in the main hall, but in one of the dorms, where we also served breakfast.
Quoting AomebaDamned, this means I am officially dumb. We even asked at the main desk (where we signed up), and we were told there's no coffee. It's not a major problem though, the party was great and especially the voting system worked smoothly.
It could have been me who told you there was no coffee. If so, I am very sorry about that.
I did not know this, I just assumed there wasn't any. What I should have done, not knowing it for an absolute fact, is walking with you to the coffee machines and check out if it was available. And if not, I should have checked out if we were able to make some coffee.
I have failed. I am no coffee drinker myself and I did not realise it is almost a nessecity for a lot of people. Stupid me. Nothing to do with lazyness, always glad to helping people out. But I guess it could've been me suffering from some sort of momentarily mental derangement... altough I really hav'nt got the foggiest idea about how that could have happened to me. |
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Norrland
Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 14 |
+1 on the 10-scale for voting, or what the heck... take the opportunity to make it a 12-step-scale, so people finally can give those demos with the extra awesomeness a 11 or a legendary 12 |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
just make it 0-$ff fuckers |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
Even better, they should make some voting machine which has a dial so the voting score is on an analog scale. Oldschool all the way. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
and if you dial 01300010 someone from ATnT will pick up! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
Scream'o'clap'o'meter will do the trick. |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
My bed was hi-jacked by somebody else so I slept in the car both nights. The result was me getting a serious cold (most could hear it on my voice Sunday morning I guess). Saturday evening I completely destroyed the last bit of my voice by cheering on all the wonderful demos - especially the ones that greeted Bonzai :) ... in combination I got so drunk that after the demo compo I had to go to bed - in the car. Missed the prize ceremony. Besides, I didn't think we'd even get into the top 3.
So, bummer on missing what would probably have been the highlight of my 8-bit career :)
/Trap |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
- Projector sometimes jumped a frame
- Ungrateful audience didnt cheer enough when my rotozooming bars were displayed
- Too little time to talk to everyone
- Yazoo didnt drink a glass of sproutka as promised
- Please book more space next time if attendee count is >= this year
- No electricity in our sleeping room, just like last time, since we got the same one. But at least I got a bed, which I guess I should be grateful for with Traps horror story. :)
- Driving home took too long |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
Quote: and if you dial 01300010 someone from ATnT will pick up!
I meant more like a volume dial, not a phone one. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
- Making people almost die to get a burger and trying to piss at a burger joint in Amsterdam was not really necessary to do? Was it? Burglar you are to blame that I almost got to be lame...
- The breakfast need more spice.
- The projector need to skip even more frames to hide bugs.
- I want more Burglar talk on the speakers, your voice is not so sharp as the main speaker... hehe...
- Mayonnaise - the people in the fatty-fry-fat-galore-wagon use far to less mayonnaise on them fatty-fried-fries... body crave for more fat... can you serve plain kilos of butter next time? Melted in a bucket would be just fine, with straws to suck it up.
- The Chinese dinner was totally fine so I complain it was not bad so I could complain about it.
- Beds are super but Pantaloon snore too much, can you please provide earplugs for all sleeping at the party?
- Moh farts in his sleep and it is total mayhem... I got a rash from it, please provide a special air conditioned room for him next X.
- I got hair in my coffee, please shave King of smooth next X.
- When I pooped in the pissoir the turds did not flush, make bigger holes next year... not to big, one could fall down.
- Move the bar back to the original spot as it crammed the place - better where it was before.
- Meditation class have to leave next year, we must puke and speak and scream outside. |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
Agree with Yazoo.. 10 stars voting system to get better results!! |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
Quote:
- fucking demo crashing because 1541-lame-o
..and agree with Groepaz. Fuck that! I heard rumours that after 2 VSP-crashes they switched from Lamo-Board to a VSP-safe c64. WTF?!! Why didn't you run it on a VSP-safe c64 from the beginning, expecially since Peacemaker had made it overly clear that this demo uses helluvalot of VSP. Would have beaten most other demos an not ended up on lamo-7th-place :P. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
gotta love HCL's enthusiasms:) |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
Quote: Quote:
- fucking demo crashing because 1541-lame-o
..and agree with Groepaz. Fuck that! I heard rumours that after 2 VSP-crashes they switched from Lamo-Board to a VSP-safe c64. WTF?!! Why didn't you run it on a VSP-safe c64 from the beginning, expecially since Peacemaker had made it overly clear that this demo uses helluvalot of VSP. Would have beaten most other demos an not ended up on lamo-7th-place :P.
that's why we create vsp-free demos ;-) even censor threw out 2 vsp parts (to bob's annoyance) :-) |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
I have used VSP in ~all~ Booze-demos since i learned it in ~1992 (someone check all our demos to confirm that.. :P) ..and i have never experienced a crash at a compo.
..oh yes, once.. when i coded a part for Arcanum / Xenon :P. Looks like i'm the kind of guest you don't want in your demos ;).. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
IMO VSP is not really an effect that works on the C64. I treat it as such, i.e. I don't use it. |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
"Reemoove the kartreedge!" |
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Aomeba
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 22 |
Quote: Quoting AomebaI loved it there, but where was the coffee? Finland requires coffee!
Quoting BurglarAomeba, coffee was not in the main hall, but in one of the dorms, where we also served breakfast.
Quoting AomebaDamned, this means I am officially dumb. We even asked at the main desk (where we signed up), and we were told there's no coffee. It's not a major problem though, the party was great and especially the voting system worked smoothly.
It could have been me who told you there was no coffee. If so, I am very sorry about that.
I did not know this, I just assumed there wasn't any. What I should have done, not knowing it for an absolute fact, is walking with you to the coffee machines and check out if it was available. And if not, I should have checked out if we were able to make some coffee.
I have failed. I am no coffee drinker myself and I did not realise it is almost a nessecity for a lot of people. Stupid me. Nothing to do with lazyness, always glad to helping people out. But I guess it could've been me suffering from some sort of momentarily mental derangement... altough I really hav'nt got the foggiest idea about how that could have happened to me.
Fear not, those 5-6 cups I had in the morning prevent me from going full Hulk rage during the daytime. Every missed cup of coffee later in the day is just slight discomfort. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Dont worry HCL. Its not your fault and i would work with you together anytime again. I see it in this way, in April or May this year, when i wanted to start coding a demo, nobody else has been active / interested in Hitmen. So, without you, there would be no Hitmen demo at all ;) And you, beside the parts you did, helped me a lot with other stuff too . Its all good and has been a pleasure to work with you , also with linus and carrion. |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
Quoting RadiantIMO VSP is not really an effect that works on the C64. I treat it as such, i.e. I don't use it.
One could also try to tame it. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Lft, It has been tried, with only the most painstaking of successes - you should know. ;-) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
Was that LFT drunksinging Metallica? It was awful but I love how singer concluded his performance with dismissive 'Fuck you!' :D |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898 |
Quote: I have used VSP in ~all~ Booze-demos since i learned it in ~1992 (someone check all our demos to confirm that.. :P) ..and i have never experienced a crash at a compo.
..oh yes, once.. when i coded a part for Arcanum / Xenon :P. Looks like i'm the kind of guest you don't want in your demos ;)..
Hmm yes, that was weird :-) the 3 VSP's in that screen messed up a lot of c64's that usually have no problem with just 1 VSP...
Oh well :-) |
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Archmage
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 185 |
All DATA and no coffee makes Archmage a grumpy boy. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
Quote:in April or May this year, when i wanted to start coding a demo, nobody else has been active / interested in Hitmen.
you REALLY dont want to get me started on THAT. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
more bitching:
- 2 days later and still not recovered
- when I went to bed on sunday morning I slept a few hours and after waking up, the partyplace was already 90% cleaned up, damn it!
- nobody trashed anything and we couldn't find any stickers on doors that each would take an hour to remove.
- the private stash of ice-cold beer near the compo-team got me drunk faster than I wanted.
- Magic/Nah saved the day for those pesky sofasceners!
- HCL's new vsp part crashed a vsp-safe machine. I actually think you found a new edge-case.
- Sphinx' videocamera recordings are not on youtube yet.
- The low ranking demos were too great to rank low.
- the compo-team had a shitty view on the big screen and no personal screen as that would have degraded big screen quality *a lot*, causing us to miss all the greatness in the left bottom border!
- Arg! No power failures again!
- Hailstorm caused a big part of the parking-lot to be occupied, the problems I expected from that never happened??!
- Long lost Success-Founder Steel kept hugging me! ;)
- I didn't meet Red+White/The Judges.
- and last but not least, the compo was too great and long, you're scaring the newcomers away! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Quote: All DATA and no coffee makes Archmage a grumpy boy.
Yeah. More coffee. Inside the partyplace. Now! |
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Erol
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 6 |
Total travel time: BUS 15 hours, CAR 6 hours, PLANE 5 hours but it was worth it. Big thanks to organizers and to Nucleus motivating me to come :) |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
i want to bitch about all this bitching, as i feel its gonna make me a bitch! |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
Quote:- HCL's new vsp part crashed a vsp-safe machine. I actually think you found a new edge-case. Strange thing is, the VSP-code was actually stolen from Let's Scroll It!, which ran at the X-2006 compo machine with no problems :).. Of course, mem-setup and alot of other things are different. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
Mr.Ammo is running it now on the compo-machine and it didnt crash?! ;) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Only some minor complaints:
- Although I was about the 10th person in line to fill my plate, food wasn't very warm anymore.
- When you have someone do a performance on three tiny pocket calculators, think about hanging a camera above him so people can see what's happening.
- I wasn't overly impressed by the sound quality in the main hall. |
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Rastah Bar
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 336 |
- No demo from DeFEEST. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050 |
Music compo digested. A lot of melancholy! Is it because I§m nostalgiac, or because nobody composes true-body-moving music nowadays? The tune I loved the most (except of the obvious crowdpleasers) was composed by Zardax. Thanx, dude! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Bitch mode on. One thing: I really wanted some old and new demoshows in the main hall instead of hours of "X2016! NOW MUSIC DOWNSTAIRS!". Make use of that awesome gear you put up! ;) |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
Quote: Bitch mode on. One thing: I really wanted some old and new demoshows in the main hall instead of hours of "X2016! NOW MUSIC DOWNSTAIRS!". Make use of that awesome gear you put up! ;)
what about a "best of x-party" show or something? with the top3 demo-releases of all the x-parties over the years. that should fill the gap pretty well :-) i would enjoy that! |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
Quote: Bitch mode on. One thing: I really wanted some old and new demoshows in the main hall instead of hours of "X2016! NOW MUSIC DOWNSTAIRS!". Make use of that awesome gear you put up! ;)
ok more bitching:
- hedning was not downstairs on friday night dancing in the basement! ;) |
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Glasnost
Account closed
Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 26 |
Woke up with a flu Friday morning. Missed X. Still missing it. I had coffee though.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
didnt meet DCMP :( |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Quote: ok more bitching:
- hedning was not downstairs on friday night dancing in the basement! ;)
I WAS! With Macx. Those who saw that will have nightmares forever. I swear! |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
Quoting Burglar- I didn't meet Red+White/The Judges.
They simply avoided you! sorry for telling you the truth.
:) |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
- Its saying C64 Compo, not 64 reloaded(did not even know that exists)-compo ;) use a goddamn vsp-safe c64 :P
- toilets at dorm needed to be cleared more often
- More vegan-food |
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Aomeba
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 22 |
Quote: - Its saying C64 Compo, not 64 reloaded(did not even know that exists)-compo ;) use a goddamn vsp-safe c64 :P
- toilets at dorm needed to be cleared more often
- More vegan-food
Was it a Reloaded c64 running the compo? That explains why our demo crashed as well, it never did that.
I have a Reloaded mobo sitting in a box.. Just saw one of those first versions going for 800 on eBay. Maybe I'll just keep that in a box as a retirement plan, and run the demos on a VSP stable original C64! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
there is no 100% VSP stable C64 in the first place (since the behaviour varies with temperature, for instance) :) |
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Toggle
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 32 |
- The parking situation: the parking lot was full, even the side of the road was totally crowded. I ended up parking somewhere in Belgium
- The toilets: Things were fine on friday, but everything got worse after the compos. Some guys probably tried to imitate the movements of Bob's bobs while peeing, but that's just a theory
- The nightly snoring compos: While there were quite a few impressive basses I began to hear ring modulations after a while (probably due to lack of sleep). I felt pretty holgered the day after and I didn't even touch any alcohol by then |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: there is no 100% VSP stable C64 in the first place (since the behaviour varies with temperature, for instance) :)
wrong. you can say: we do not know if there is a 100% vsp-safe c-64. a c64 that never crashed due vsp since 100.000 hours MAY crash in the next hour.
thats all.
and its known that the 64 reloaded is not vsp-safe:
http://www.forum64.de/index.php?thread/61494-c64-reloaded-bugs-..
https://www.c64-wiki.de/index.php/C64_Reloaded#cite_note-5 |
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Aomeba
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 22 |
Aand by that, we get back to bitching: Somebody looked at the compo c64 wrong while our demo was running. Or maybe laid a long, warm breath on it and caused a crash.
My Siesta logo caused a facepalm+breath = crash, while Carrion's pic on the Hitmen demo caused 2x long breaths of amazement = 2x crashes.
Solution: Don't breath the next time, or if you have to, go to the next room! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
Quote:wrong. you can say: we do not know if there is a 100% vsp-safe c-64. a c64 that never crashed due vsp since 100.000 hours MAY crash in the next hour.
thats all.
the result is the same. no matter how much you test for it, it does in no way tell you that it will not crash.
Quote:and its known that the 64 reloaded is not vsp-safe:
not exactly - whats known is that the VSP fix does not work reliable when using the 8565 VIC, it does work when using 6569. other than that its as good (or bad) than any other C64 regarding VSP. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Quote:wrong. you can say: we do not know if there is a 100% vsp-safe c-64. a c64 that never crashed due vsp since 100.000 hours MAY crash in the next hour.
thats all.
the result is the same. no matter how much you test for it, it does in no way tell you that it will not crash.
Quote:and its known that the 64 reloaded is not vsp-safe:
not exactly - whats known is that the VSP fix does not work reliable when using the 8565 VIC, it does work when using 6569. other than that its as good (or bad) than any other C64 regarding VSP.
the result may be the same but there is a difference: c64s that never crashed with vsp since their first power on have higher chances not to crash in the future, than c64 models that have been crashed in the past.
and yes, the 64 reloaded as it was sold does have huge problems with vsp as mentioned in the forum. you need to get another vic to solve the problem or wait for the "new" mainboard from jens. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
Quote:
the result may be the same but c64s that never crashed with vsp since their first power on have higher chances not to crash in the future, than c64 models that have been crashed in the past.
not really - you might read up on how randomness actually works and what parameters affect the behaviour in this case. its not that simple.
Quote:
yes, the 64 reloaded as it was sold does have huge problems with vsp as mentioned in the forum. you need to get another vic to solve the problem.
nope, it doesnt have more problems than any other C64 - and there also exist 8565 equipped ones that are "stable" (as much as you can say that). if you want to be 100% sure the VSP fix works - something you cant be sure of with a regular c64 - THEN you need old VIC. no more no less. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Quote:
the result may be the same but c64s that never crashed with vsp since their first power on have higher chances not to crash in the future, than c64 models that have been crashed in the past.
not really - you might read up on how randomness actually works and what parameters affect the behaviour in this case. its not that simple.
Quote:
yes, the 64 reloaded as it was sold does have huge problems with vsp as mentioned in the forum. you need to get another vic to solve the problem.
nope, it doesnt have more problems than any other C64 - and there also exist 8565 equipped ones that are "stable" (as much as you can say that). if you want to be 100% sure the VSP fix works - something you cant be sure of with a regular c64 - THEN you need old VIC. no more no less.
ofcourse its that simple. c64s never crashed because of vsp have higher chances not to crash in the future. its not rocketscience here ;)
i never said the 64 reloaded has more or less problems than any other c64 models. i just said IT has problems. if has more or less, we surely would need to find out. not that i want to. i just say: the so called vsp safe 64 reloaded as beeing sold ist NOT vsp safe. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
Quote:c64s never crashed because of vsp have higher chances not to crash in the future.
about as much as someone who won the lottery twice has a higher chance of winning it again, right. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Quote:c64s never crashed because of vsp have higher chances not to crash in the future.
about as much as someone who won the lottery twice has a higher chance of winning it again, right.
wrong: vice versa. somebody who won the lottery hundres of times has a higher chance to win again , than someone who never won.
as said, no rocketscience here. c64 models that have problems with vsp will surely crash again rather than c64s that never crashed. its not that complicated ;) |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
Quote: - real party is outside although there is meditation groups. i swear.
- spilled havanna club on jeans so when arriving back home girlfriend said i was smelling like a schnapsfabrik.
- walking into toilet room in the middle of the night with only socks on wasnt fun. i didnt care much.
- transfer team was nice and quick with my input64 disks. back home i notice its all D64s. DAMNIT WHAT WERE YOU THINKING :(
- i wasnt drunk enough for karaoke
- and last not least: NO FUCKING STREAM FOR THE SOFASCEENERS!!! MAKE SOME NOISE!!!!
Didn't knew there was any disks from you |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
How are you two guys in the same group? :) |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: How are you two guys in the same group? :)
Thats why i am going a new way ;) |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
in other words: this has been my last hitmen demo i am involved and or have organized |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
...waiting for some photos on the official SCS-TRC website! enough FB for me. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
Quote:wrong: vice versa. somebody who won the lottery hundres of times has a higher chance to win again , than someone who never won.
LOL - yup, that sums up your way of thinking :=) |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Quote:wrong: vice versa. somebody who won the lottery hundres of times has a higher chance to win again , than someone who never won.
LOL - yup, that sums up your way of thinking :=)
maybe, maybe not ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
just keep on dreaming that you have organized a hitmen demo :=) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Now I also have a severe cold. Never should have made out with Trap. Fuckings to Bonzai. :D |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 945 |
Ugh, so many great people and releases (still gasping my way through them) with exceptional code, graphics and sounds. Too bad I missed it (again) because of my busy work crap bitching poop. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: just keep on dreaming that you have organized a hitmen demo :=)
ne, der heilige geist war es =) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Quote: Now I also have a severe cold. Never should have made out with Trap. Fuckings to Bonzai. :D
rofl :D |
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Magic
Registered: Sep 2012
Posts: 44 |
Somebody had to save the sofascener community and since FB has this streaming option... ;) Was glad to do it..
To give something back.. Seen many streams myself.. Or was dissapointed when a stream died and could not see a compo..
So.. about X 2016...:
+ X MC host "Did you see this shit"
+ Limo ride again
+ De Wildeman in Amsterdam
+ Meeting everybody and more
+ The Polish people at X :)
+ We Are Diskmag! :)
+ Dinner
+ Glad we rented a nearby bed & breakfast place :)
+ Even far far more plusses that i can write here
- Seeing Pal falling into the hole at 02:00 (glad you are allright buddy)
- X should last till monday not till sunday (add intro compo for example :)
- Some concerts were not good prepared. (Magnar , Tess & Tell) fix that for X 2018 the people performing really deserve it.. |
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ruk
Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 43 |
X'2016 interview
https://goo.gl/dxDAXO |
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Bob
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 71 |
hehehe thats hilarious... Camelot! |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898 |
WTF :-) And who's the girl? |
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hqn
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 22 |
People didn't make enough noise.
Nah just kidding, you were rowdy as shit. We're growing closer to each other at each X, by 2026 we can complete each other's |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
sandwiches. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
pervert |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
I'm not sure what happened down there at the dorm, but I'm starting to feel lucky I just wandered around for 3 hours before finding my B&B. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 945 |
Quote: X'2016 interview
https://goo.gl/dxDAXO
Haha. Who is the Camelot fanboy? Drunks don't lie. ;) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219 |
- VOICE: totally lost my voice Sat night after doing Karaoke without microphone against guitar amplifier (some of our brought hardware that was left when the other official orga stuff was already in progress of being packed) 1 week later: Still a voice like Gianni Nannino but at least some voice is better than none.
- DORMS: how are you to get on these upper beds in the dorm? I'm a kind of sporty spice person, but always had to do a lot of gymnastics after having drunk a crate of holger or 2 to get up there. once I was up, my sleeping bag, my glasses, my mobile or myself fell down again...
- SHOWER: Talked to Tiger of G*P in English for about half an hour before we remembered we're both German.
@Camelot guy interview: He's so damn right! Fuck X parties! Music was better in the 80s \o/ And why didn't Daglish not compete! I want my Rob Hubbard back! ;) |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Someren needs a coffeeshop. :P |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
demand to split the music compo in a) with samples ("new school") and b) without samples ("old school") compos :> |
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Magic
Registered: Sep 2012
Posts: 44 |
Re-Live: the best demos and other X live streamed footage
by yours truely :)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sofasceners |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote: demand to split the music compo in a) with samples ("new school") and b) without samples ("old school") compos :>
Lamer! :) There weren't many and all of them but one have been beaten by Goat 1x speed tunes. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Lamer! :) There weren't many and all of them but one have been beaten by Goat 1x speed tunes.
there will be more in 2 years. without any doubts :> so, give them their own compo. musicians can enter both and battle there. why not? :D |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Let's also restrict the demo compo while we're at it. No samples, no VSP, no 50fps vector cubes, no nufli etc
Gnarf! |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Let's also restrict the demo compo while we're at it. No samples, no VSP, no 50fps vector cubes, no nufli etc
Gnarf!
jetzt übertreibst du aber :P :] |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
Quote:Let's also restrict the demo compo while we're at it. No samples, no VSP, no 50fps vector cubes, no nufli etc
or let's have one for demos that crash, and one for demos that don't crash! |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219 |
Groepaz nailed it! :D
Felt sorry for you, but be proud, HIT, many a top release will soon be forgotten, but even in years you will say "Remember bloody HIT demo crash at X'2016?" ;)
PS: Limiting demo compo to ONE disk side would reduce disk change crashes :P |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
me demands a special compo for demos that contain rasterbars. i'd start coding immediately! |
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Magic
Registered: Sep 2012
Posts: 44 |
Poop |
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redcrab
Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 33 |
Maybe someone already said this (again), but I still want to hear in my drunken ears what the hell we're looking at during the gfx compo. It's already reported while submitted anyway. I don't want to take a masterfully made hires for a nufli or the other way around. And the fact that flicker don't flicker on the big screen is another thing I want to know when I vote.
Otherwise GREAT party of course. Ok one more thing. Why not include fritwagon lunch in the price aswell? Better rise the entry fee to 110 than having the hassle with unknown amounts of cash for us non folks. |
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Stinsen
Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 76 |
Like a few others I suffered from one hell of a bad cold after getting back home, starting to feel recovered only just today. I fear this Spa weekend in Someren might have been falsely advertised and yet I strictly adhered to the "Holger" regimen as recommended, weird. :D |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Starting to look like a cold epidemic. Maybe it has something to do with sitting in an overcrowded 40℃ room and then occaisonally going outside in 5-10℃ to cool off when you're too sweaty. |
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Carrion
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317 |
Quote: just keep on dreaming that you have organized a hitmen demo :=)
actually Peacemaker organized the demo group. It only happened that it had a Hitmen badge on it - by accident IMO.
And it could have been easily exchangeable with any other logo or group name.
You see. I'm quite fast if it comes to pixeling, especially when I'm convinced I do a right thing. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
Quoting redcrabMaybe someone already said this (again), but I still want to hear in my drunken ears what the hell we're looking at during the gfx compo. It's already reported while submitted anyway. I don't want to take a masterfully made hires for a nufli or the other way around. And the fact that flicker don't flicker on the big screen is another thing I want to know when I vote. maybe look more closely at the voting engine? the info you wanted was there for everybody to see. |
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Sphinx
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 20 |
Quote:- Sphinx' videocamera recordings are not on youtube yet.
The first ones are now uploaded to youtube, more is coming step by step, but feel free to look every now and then to my youtube channel, I will upload all the records I've made the next few days.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpWX7WlZM0gu80_3UQ71BkA |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
woohoo Sphinx rules \o/
(also, it's Prize Ceremony, bread has a price, an award is a prize;) |
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Sphinx
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 20 |
Oups... /o\ Sorry... :-)
To correct it in the video it's unfortunately too late, but I've corrected it in title and description on youtube then :-) |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: woohoo Sphinx rules \o/
(also, it's Prize Ceremony, bread has a price, an award is a prize;)
doofkopf =) |
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Sphinx
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 20 |
Quote:doofkopf =)
danke... ;-) |
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rail slave
Account closed
Registered: Feb 2016
Posts: 20 |
Quote: woohoo Sphinx rules \o/
(also, it's Prize Ceremony, bread has a price, an award is a prize;)
Oh cool, been looking for this. Legendary ptoing outburst |
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Magic
Registered: Sep 2012
Posts: 44 |
*ALL* my X2016 videos are on youtube now!
Including compo's.. Enjoy folks!! :)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMlsVz_cMR1QWzJx5hfpshae.. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Quote:doofkopf =)
danke... ;-)
was refering to burlgar =) |
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Sphinx
Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 20 |
ah, okay, guess, burglar will be happy about then... ;-) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1646 |
Quote: was refering to burlgar =)
bulgur? |
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Martinland
Registered: May 2012
Posts: 1 |
Quote: Quote:- Sphinx' videocamera recordings are not on youtube yet.
The first ones are now uploaded to youtube, more is coming step by step, but feel free to look every now and then to my youtube channel, I will upload all the records I've made the next few days.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpWX7WlZM0gu80_3UQ71BkA
Many, many thanks, Sphinx! <3 <3
Will have a live party tomorrow! ;-D |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
Something needs to be done regarding the beds. For 100 euro entry cost people should not need to sleep on the floor. Should also not need to exhange heated arguments over the beds if someone was or wasn't in the room. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Tsss, old farts. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
solve it the oldschool way then - fist fight! |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1646 |
...or the newschool way, e.g. "quit the scene" with a lot of drama dolphins flying around. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219 |
Quote: bulgur?
who's that "bilbo"? |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1646 |
Quote: who's that "bilbo"?
Probably MacX. Nah.. that was Frodo! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
also if someone even manages to have an argument with you over sleeping in a bed or not - you simple didnt drink enough |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
Come to think of it ... actually, I have one thing I would like to be fixed for the next X party. Please try to reduce the lag between audio and visual of the democompo. The sound was about 100-200ms delayed compared to what you saw on screen and a lot of the timing that was made, didn't really work. For our demo it was very clear, when you compare to running on a normal setup. |
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ruk
Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 43 |
I concur with redcrab regarding the hassle with cash for the snack wagon - add a few EUR to the fee and make X'2018 an all-inclusive event.
Also, a direct flight Umeå, Alvik (UME) <-> Eindhoven (EIN) for me and Dane. Norrland and redcrab can also benefit from this. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219 |
Personally I like the food truck and wouldn't mind some more for 101% all-inclusive, but I know there are people with a different view. But arguing about food wagon and money? Really?
Come on, 6 free beers are like a warm meal, take a 7th free beer and you even have a drink with your meal.
Some people... |
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ruk
Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 43 |
? It's not about the cost. That's totally fine. It is about handling cash which I lazily prefer not to do. Especially when it is (at least in my case) in a non-native format :) |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1646 |
ryk vs ruk |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 945 |
It's general knowledge that any fritwagon = money laundry. I think the organizers don't want to get involved in criminal activities, that's all. :) |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Quoting TrapCome to think of it ... actually, I have one thing I would like to be fixed for the next X party. Please try to reduce the lag between audio and visual of the democompo. The sound was about 100-200ms delayed compared to what you saw on screen and a lot of the timing that was made, didn't really work. For our demo it was very clear, when you compare to running on a normal setup.
That's a good one. The video feed went through a scaler/switcher. This created a small lag of the video signal because of the processing. The audio came directly direct from the C64s and were fed via DI boxes to the mixer. Meaning, the audio was ahead of the video. To compensate we wanted to use a delay the mixer for the audio. So there might have gone something wrong there...
I will put it on the list of improvements (or better: things not to forget) |
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ruk
Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 43 |
yeah, the lady and the young girl looked awfully scary. bet they're running all of Someren's shady business :) |
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Mr.Ammo
Account closed
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 228 |
Quoting Peacemaker- Its saying C64 Compo, not 64 reloaded(did not even know that exists)-compo ;) use a goddamn vsp-safe c64 :P
I still wonder who spread this rumour (and why). Real (vanilla) C64s were used in the compo. |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
Quoting TrapThe sound was about 100-200ms delayed compared to what you saw on screen and a lot of the timing that was made, didn't really work.
Were you sitting at the far back, by any chance? Sound travels at 300 m/s, so even on the direct path from speakers to listener, there's a 100 ms delay for every 30 m.
Normally, as long as the audio is later than the video, the brain will compensate for the delay, and you won't notice. If the audio precedes the video, there's no compensation and it feels weird. So I agree with the organisers that adding a delay on the audio makes sense.
Still, if you heard a delay, then you did. It might be that at your location, the delay (due to distance and/or reflections on the walls) was simply too great, which broke the illusion. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
While talking about the food truck: is "patat & frikandel" the cheapest choice or just the quickest and the most accessible?
I mean, there's a ton of different choices on the market, with stuff like pulled pork, falafel, proper hamburgers, Indian food, pizza. I wouldn't mind something a bit more sophisticated. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
replace the food stand by a cocktail supplier! |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Quote: replace the food stand by a cocktail supplier!
Now THAT is a good idea! |
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Toggle
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 32 |
Quote: replace the food stand by a cocktail supplier!
Holger on the beach, holger tonic, bloody holger... |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
Quote: solve it the oldschool way then - fist fight!
Well, few of us thought we would witness that as arguments were made... |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Quoting ToggleHolger on the beach, holger tonic, bloody holger... Hahaha |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357 |
Hot Holger, Holger on the Beach, Damn the Holger... |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
Gehrmann Holger...
Ok, that was too dark... |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
Quote: Quoting TrapThe sound was about 100-200ms delayed compared to what you saw on screen and a lot of the timing that was made, didn't really work.
Were you sitting at the far back, by any chance? Sound travels at 300 m/s, so even on the direct path from speakers to listener, there's a 100 ms delay for every 30 m.
Normally, as long as the audio is later than the video, the brain will compensate for the delay, and you won't notice. If the audio precedes the video, there's no compensation and it feels weird. So I agree with the organisers that adding a delay on the audio makes sense.
Still, if you heard a delay, then you did. It might be that at your location, the delay (due to distance and/or reflections on the walls) was simply too great, which broke the illusion.
We were standing together with the Censor and Fairlight guys.
Check out this videorecording which was done pretty close to where we were. I think the delay is quite clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lGYblB0848
... if you're missing markers, you can look through our demo - for example the 8-split dysp, the rasters all drop on the beat - in this video, they drop with a slight delay. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
Hey Trap. that 100-200ms delay in your demo was really fantastic. we all thought it was made on purpose! now you say it happened because of a lame beamer!?!... uhm... this changes everything! the compo results must be cancelled! we should all re-vote!!! ah-ha!
:P |
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soci
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 479 |
Ok, it was strange when I've read that the sound was delayed and now I see that the video was, as expected.
So you've just watched it from the wrong place. In anticipation of high visitor numbers the rig was optimized for a watching distance of 100 m or so ;) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498 |
I missed (in alphabetical order):
Bodo
Elko
Fäker
Krill
Titus
:-(
I also missed:
half of the demo compo - because I've been an idiot not listening to Tuffi, Groepaz and everyone else who told me to go sleep earlier.
+ what Stinsen said: First I thought I had "heavy party jetlag" this year, but now I assume some of the Holgers had influenza :-P |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
Quote: Hey Trap. that 100-200ms delay in your demo was really fantastic. we all thought it was made on purpose! now you say it happened because of a lame beamer!?!... uhm... this changes everything! the compo results must be cancelled! we should all re-vote!!! ah-ha!
:P
aaahahahahha ... all for you my friend :) |
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Bob
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 71 |
Damn there is so much content from this years X..
I haven't even been able to go through all the productions, gfx, music, and other releases from X-2016
and the sheer quality from most of the stuff are mind blowing.
Is there any statistics compared to other X, like amount of releases categories etc and ppl visiting the party? I am curious if records where broken (since I am hearing that here and there) and in which areas etc.. Would be great info.
What more is important to mention is that how many ppl that have upgraded to the next/new level of skills, demo,gfx,music etc. The amount of effort put into the C64 ;) |
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Axis/Oxyron
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
Quote: Damn there is so much content from this years X..
I haven't even been able to go through all the productions, gfx, music, and other releases from X-2016
and the sheer quality from most of the stuff are mind blowing.
Is there any statistics compared to other X, like amount of releases categories etc and ppl visiting the party? I am curious if records where broken (since I am hearing that here and there) and in which areas etc.. Would be great info.
What more is important to mention is that how many ppl that have upgraded to the next/new level of skills, demo,gfx,music etc. The amount of effort put into the C64 ;)
I´d say 316 visitors and 21 demos in the compo are definitely a new record. Not sure about the rest of the compos. |
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Axis/Oxyron
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
I just realised X2012 also had 21 demos. But IMHO overall quality was better this time. |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
Quote: Damn there is so much content from this years X..
I haven't even been able to go through all the productions, gfx, music, and other releases from X-2016
and the sheer quality from most of the stuff are mind blowing.
Is there any statistics compared to other X, like amount of releases categories etc and ppl visiting the party? I am curious if records where broken (since I am hearing that here and there) and in which areas etc.. Would be great info.
What more is important to mention is that how many ppl that have upgraded to the next/new level of skills, demo,gfx,music etc. The amount of effort put into the C64 ;)
Well.. you guys have yourself to thank for that. You sort of set the bar ;) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219 |
Quote: Hot Holger, Holger on the Beach, Damn the Holger...
"Hot Holger" sounds like some sexual exercise that is legal in Holland but forbidden in many of the more conservative countries :D |
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Magic
Registered: Sep 2012
Posts: 44 |
No more bitching! it's been written down now ;)
Vandalism News #66 for your reading pleasures and desires! :D
Vandalism News #66 |
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Bob
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 71 |
Smack My Bitch Up! |
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FATFrost
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 211 |
@Bob, that demo was amazing! i can't wait to see what you come up with next!! |
