[CSDb] - User Forums - Event id #2082 : X'2014

X is the worldchampionship in c64 demos, music and art, need to be every seccond year I totally agree... the party will live much longer too... Thanx to you for organising that super insane mega cool party... as with DS and LCP you the organisers keep this scene strong! Thanx and humble bows to you, SIRS!

2013-11-28 13:37

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Nice'n'early advertisement:
If anyone from the North of England/Scotland wants to go, I'm thinking of booking a return flight from Durham Tees Valley (Teesside Airport) to Amsterdam Airport, and then drive down in a hire car. Let me know if you'd like to join up. Maestro/Avatar has agreed so far.
The return flight alone (KLM) is less than £100. I will pay for everything else, but if more than 3 want to come, then I advise to chip-in for a bigger car. ;)

2013-11-28 13:56

macx

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 253

Remember to sign up to Pre-X 2014!
http://youtu.be/JLO3vkyFqDU

2014-04-01 08:04

Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570

The X2014 website is UP: http://www.scs-trc.net/x2014

2014-04-01 17:38

JSL

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 56

Why no Remote entries.. I don't visit parties anymore.. Must be present to attend graphics compo.. Well.. Then my picture 'Cave of Secrets' won't attend X 2014..

2014-04-01 18:47

Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424

Understandable, since you have the farthest trip of all... ;)
But if JSL doesn't come to the party, maybe the party will come to JSL?

2014-04-01 18:55

JSL

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 56

Farthest trip? :) I think the Shortest. I live in Venray (North Limburg). It is that all these years they approved Remote entries, only this year it is a No. :/

2014-04-01 19:14

Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424

Note the smiley! :)

2014-04-01 19:32

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

According to Google Maps there's 35 km from Venray to Someren. Is it really totally out of the question to come by, if nothing else just to hand in your entry?

2014-04-01 19:41

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

imho, no remote entries was long overdue. party compo's are for party people.

and 35km only? lucky! ;)

CruzerTravel to the rescue \o/

2014-04-01 19:52

Conjuror

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168

There should be an exemption for Australians, because fuck me it's a long way to come. I'll be there anyway this year though.

2014-04-01 20:47

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498

"Smoking inside is prohibited."
F-F-FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU********
:(

2014-04-02 08:32

Sounx
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"Smoking inside is prohibited."

This, ofcourse, does not include organizers ;-)

Fun aside, this means no smoking during demo-competition... :(

Maybe us smokers can get an open-air-X-party-billboard with live transmission from inside to outside during the X-competitions then??? :)

2014-04-02 09:48

Dwangi

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130

But i think i read somewhere that smoking Will be allowed during the Compos.??

2014-04-02 09:55

Dano

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 231

srsly, the air in that tiny basement is already evil enough crammed with roundabout 147838 sceners..

2014-04-02 10:30

BokanoiD

Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 9

Mabe we can stick all smokers in one corner and have one person smoke for everybody?

2014-04-02 10:32

BokanoiD

Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 9

People coming in from Australia, respect! That's a long way to come to sit around and drink beer with old people and their old computers. :D
For me it's 13km door to door according to Google Maps. That like, 8km less than my daily commute.

2014-04-02 11:00

cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935

Quote: But i think i read somewhere that smoking Will be allowed during the Compos.??

No certainly not.

2014-04-02 11:55

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Quote: "Smoking inside is prohibited."

This, ofcourse, does not include organizers ;-)

Fun aside, this means no smoking during demo-competition... :(

Maybe us smokers can get an open-air-X-party-billboard with live transmission from inside to outside during the X-competitions then??? :)

Did I mention that there is a 15 minute smoking break between each demo shown during the competition? ;)

Anywayz, the website is clear about this subject.

2014-04-02 11:59

cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935

http://www.cancer.org/healthy/stayawayfromtobacco/guidetoquitti..

2014-04-02 13:06

Doc Strange

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 101

Even if I'm a smoker, I really don't want to see 50+ people smoking in the same room. We can take breaks and go out with our pint, I don't see a problem with that, really.

2014-04-02 13:13

Sounx
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@Tim, Yeah and if you're not back within 15 minutes, the basement-doors will simply close and you will need to wait for the next smoking break to enter again!! ;)

@CBA, you're right. We should stop smoking.

And fine dust is also all around us... Let's stop breathing aswell!! ;)

2014-04-02 15:47

Dwangi

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130

I dont mind the smoking ban. Better smoke outside and have some fresh air at the same time.

2014-04-02 15:49

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

Quote:

smoke [...] and have some fresh air

\o/

2014-04-02 17:15

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

+1 for non smoking (from a smoker)

2014-04-02 17:27

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

real party is outside anyways :)

2014-04-02 17:39

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578

Meh, avid non smoker here and couldn't care less. It's two days non-stop party anyway, I could tolerate a lot of things coming out from fellow sceners during that time.

2014-04-02 17:42

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

does vaporizer qualify as smoking then? technically, there is no smoke involved.... =)

2014-04-02 17:47

TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219

I hope, in turn at X2016 EVERYBODY is FORCED to smoke 24-7 INDOORS & OUTDOORS then, would only be fair

2014-04-02 18:12

Dane
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I'm doing a set right after the democompo (unless the schedule is changed). Will leave the smoke machine home.

2014-04-02 20:26

Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461

If people can smoke outside at Datastorm they can also do it at X

Remember you are in the country of Frikadel - so enjoy it :)

2014-04-02 23:44

TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219

for sure we CAN but MUST we?

well, we'll survive it. hope there'll be breaks in the mega compos then. But if Dane spontaneously declares that he won't perform without smoke machine, I'd be ready to fulfil that function

2014-04-03 05:47

Dano

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 231

oh..? dane's set will be at around 4am in the morning then? yawn.. got pretty late last time around.. ;)

2014-04-03 08:06

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Voting with your mobile device sounds cool, but would this limitied Wifi be able to take around 100 or more vote transactions at every entry? ;) ... I think paper & pen should be a backup plan if you ask me.

2014-04-03 08:18

Yazoo

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227

most important: make sure to have enough coffee on saturday / sunday morning please :-) i remember the x'10 very well, when there was one normal coffee-machine, and about 100 szeners wanting a coffee at the same time :D

2014-04-03 16:46

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

Quoting Conrad

Voting with your mobile device sounds cool, but would this limitied Wifi be able to take around 100 or more vote transactions at every entry? ;) ... I think paper & pen should be a backup plan if you ask me.

the problem is not the amount of votes or amount of bandwidth, it'll be the amount of devices.

and yes, there's a plan B, but it won't be pen+paper (thats a nightmare by itself).

@groepaz, vaporizers are allowed of course. I'll probably bring one myself ;)

2014-04-03 17:49

Cresh

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354

How many ppl. voted in 2012?

2014-04-03 19:17

Dane
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Quote: oh..? dane's set will be at around 4am in the morning then? yawn.. got pretty late last time around.. ;)

Yes please put me up earlier. :)

2014-04-03 20:48

TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219

Quoting Burglar

... there's a plan B, but it won't be pen+paper (thats a nightmare by itself). ...

Floppy Disks again I hope :)

@vaporizer: I really consider nicotine patch or gum ^^

2014-04-03 22:20

Tim
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What Mason said..

Having survived Datastorm weather, X should be kindergarten smoking outside.. now all we need it a 3m high platform to watch drunk sceners fall down from by a strong wind and it will feel like Sweden all over :)

+1 for smoking outside (yeah from a smoker)
+1 for allowing vaporizer (yeah i'll bring one too :P)

2014-04-03 23:03

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

+1 for you guys bringing them so cross border traffic can be avoided... =P

2014-04-04 00:35

Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966

Smoking ban, really?

I'm seriously reconsidering my attendance.

2014-04-04 01:03

Yazoo

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227

i am a smoker... and i could not care less... for the oxy-party a few years ago we also had the rule to smoke outside. most ppl did stick to it, and it was alright... the real party was - is - and ever will be outside anyways :-)

2014-04-04 04:45

Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461

Quote: What Mason said..

Having survived Datastorm weather, X should be kindergarten smoking outside.. now all we need it a 3m high platform to watch drunk sceners fall down from by a strong wind and it will feel like Sweden all over :)

+1 for smoking outside (yeah from a smoker)
+1 for allowing vaporizer (yeah i'll bring one too :P)

Don't forgot the swedish road when it's snowing :)

2014-04-04 06:03

Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570

Quote: Smoking ban, really?

I'm seriously reconsidering my attendance.

You seriously should consider buying glasses and read the posts from the organisers.
It would be a shame imagining you sobbing at home during X due to a misunderstanding.

Smoking -> outside. No ban. That's all. See you at X.

2014-04-04 07:23

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

uhh... of course its a ban when you're not allowed to smoke inside.

I dont like it either, but I do think it's the right thing to do.

Vapers Unite!

2014-04-04 07:24

Sounx
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Yeah, Stainless, come on mate! We had some nice chats behind the bar whilst serving beers last X, so let's repeat that combined with some obligatory visits outside for our smokes! :)

2014-04-04 07:42

encore

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 67

I for one am thankful for the 'no smoking inside'-rule and am really looking forward to seeing a bunch of you IRL in october. :)

2014-04-04 07:53

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Some Polish men were smoking sausages two years ago ... is that still aloud?

2014-04-04 11:36

Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966

What can i say. I'm old i smoke a lot (A LOT) and i like to sit INDOORS with my buddies infront of computers and talk. What i DONT like is standing OUTSIDE in the WIND and the COLD (possibly RAINY) ocober weather in holland. Also since my back surgery last year i suffer from constant pain which makes things even worse.

So, the prospect of having to stand or sit outside in the cold october wind for the greater part of the party is not very enticing .. just because i'm a leper ... err i mean smoker (but that's pretty much the same these days innit?).

Part of the magic of X for me was that i could feel comfortable indoors with my buddies, roll one and sit infront of a c64 and light it up, time and time again.
Something that wasnt possible at all the other pussyfooting-nonsmoking-babyfriendly-bingo parties. Hence X is (was?) the only party i reliably show up to since 2006.

This seriously pisses me off, but if thats what this world has come to, so be it.

You can all flame me and jump on me all you want but that's how i feel aint nothing gonna change that. I'm not running outside every 5 minutes to burn one. No way.

"But at all the other parties you cant smoke indoors either" i hear you say. Do you see me a lot at any of those other parties ? no ? go figure.

2014-04-04 11:41

cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935

Go seek help, you have a serious addiction.

2014-04-04 12:34

Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966

Well, that's one way to put it.

Another way would be, it's a party and i want to party.

Everyone drinking one beer after another is perfectly fine, someone smoking a joint after another is in dire need of a 12 step program. Your logic is flawed.

2014-04-04 13:28

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

What about smoking pure Mary Jane without tobacco then? Would that be allowed inside? ;)

Get a vaporizer and be done with it, Joe. I can't afford to miss you at an X party!

2014-04-04 14:08

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

Quote:

Well, that's one way to put it.

its the only way to put it really

2014-04-04 15:26

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

I also prefer smoking indoors, however as it is a social event we will have to respect the preferations from non smoking visitors also. On the other hand we have had great weather during the previous editions, so let us hope for simular conditions.

Also do remember that there is a large roof on the courtyard where people can stay dry while smoking and when things get worse we will transform the entrance into a smoking area.

So I hope to meet you at X again and we have already scheduled you in the crew roster after your great help during the previous edition.

2014-04-04 16:23

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

Joe, I feel for you man! Interesting thing though, pretty much everybody is happy with the smoking ban except you (well, and me, but I folded already;)

and what Tim said.

2014-04-04 16:56

Stainless Steel

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966

Aww alright alright.

2014-04-04 17:34

Reggy
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smoking ban... seriously doubting attendance.
(vaporizers.. ah, didn't think of that, doubt fading...)
Dane playing live...? hell yeah, I'm going!

Quoting Tim

Also do remember that there is a large roof on the courtyard where people can stay dry while smoking

Can't remember exactly.. is it large enough to put some tables and electrical outlets underneath? :)

2014-04-04 20:46

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Yes it is. Just move the picknick tables there and your set.

2014-04-05 12:23

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Soren (Jeff) no longer going. (according to facebook) :(

2014-04-05 19:34

Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547

Owen: I just signed up a few days ago :)
Haven't entirely made up my mind yet though, but I do hope to go. ;)

2014-04-06 01:38

Rough
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I'm a vivid smoker but hell if you can't do it inside with the Dutches, no problem to step outside.

@Ryk: What about morphine patches? ^^

2014-04-06 05:50

Mason

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461

Quote: Owen: I just signed up a few days ago :)
Haven't entirely made up my mind yet though, but I do hope to go. ;)

You should go and remember to bring the keyboard :)

2014-04-06 07:09

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Soren: I should stop relying on social media. ;)
See you there mate! :)

2014-04-06 16:56

Angel of Death

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 211

NYAAARGH!
Just blew up a CIA in BOTH my 100% c64's! That's gotta be fixed soon or there will be nothing sell or show at X...
(got parts aplenty but they're such a bitch to replace)
Oh, well... Otherwise it'll be just plain partying for me.

2014-04-07 17:46

Dane
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So there's going to be live set from me...

https://soundcloud.com/danebd/goldie-v3

Don't worry, I still have 6 months to actually learn this program!

2014-04-24 08:07

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Witness the return of Reyn Ouwehand and the welcoming of Bas Bastian Bron who will entertain us at X-2014 with two dazzling performances.

For more info on Bas visit these links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_Bron
http://www.remix64.com/interviews/interview-bastian-interview-b..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cWL89fjfUU <music video>

2014-04-24 09:39

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

Bas Bron of Comtron and Seymour Bits?! FUCK YEAH!

2014-07-01 09:52

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

After some lengthy discussions we are proud to bring you the updated party schedule for X-2014.

Friday October 24th 2014
(Shuttle Service from 17:30 until 20:00 upon request)

18:00 Doors Open!
19:00 Snack Car opens (free snacks for all visitors)
22:00 Snack Car closes
22:00 Performance: Reyn Ouwehand
23:00 Performance: Bas Bron

Saturday October 25th 2014
(Shuttle Service from 11:00 until 13:00 upon request)

09:00 Breakfast
11:00 Breakfast finishes
13:00 Snack Car opens (buy snacks at your own expense)
14:00 Deadline Music & Graphics Competition
14:00 Game Competition
16:00 Music Competition & Snack Car closes
16:00 Deadline Demo Competition
18:00 Diner
20:00 Graphics Competition
21:00 Demo Competition
23:30 Voting and performance Dane

Sunday October 26th 2014
(Shuttle Service from 10:00)

01:00 The Awards Ceremony
09:00 Breakfast
12:00 Party End

So register now at http://www.scs-trc.net/x2014, if you have not done so already! We have plenty of beds available.

2014-07-01 10:58

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504

On Sunday you are missing:
21:00 Random Delay

2014-07-01 12:14

Oswald

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where's Dane's gig ?

2014-07-01 12:58

Dane
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23.30 after the demo compo, I hope. :)

2014-07-01 13:05

chatGPZ

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you know it'll be 4am instead =)

2014-07-01 14:12

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

"and performance Dane" missed out on that. :)

2014-07-01 14:20

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Clock goes back 1 hour on 26th Oct at 3am, leaving 1 hour slot for Dane. ... there is hope!

2014-07-01 15:16

Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424

You shouldn't have mentioned that, now PAL is going to pixel another set of pictures that will slowly scroll by to make sure their demos uses all the available time... :)

2014-07-02 00:03

Flex

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 110

Schedule looks much more sensible than last time. But remains to be seen, if some technical problems will occur. Hope not. Great changes anyway!!

2014-07-02 07:53

DjS

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 48

We might have to put another cable in front of the screen for traditions sake :q

2014-07-02 10:47

Conjuror

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168

I thought the cable was only for Sofa Sceners?

2014-07-02 15:30

iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3187

infact, the cable was between the camera and the screen, people there didn't see a cable in front of the screen =)

2014-07-02 16:40

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1926

rite - on purpose!

So better register NOW and SHOW UP to see PAL scroll FLI bitmaps FOR HOURS - uncabeled!

2014-07-02 21:43

FATFrost
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Posts: 211

Actually I think Pal and me should cook instead!!

2014-07-02 22:20

Conjuror

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168

Sadly I will miss the cable this year.

2014-07-03 07:32

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

This year's wild compo: Who can make the longest cable? Location: Toilets.

2014-07-03 07:36

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

[Back to serious mode...]

psych8580 mentioned about playing SID music during the gfx compo. I like the idea as well, so could that be arranged?

2014-07-03 09:31

Tim

Registered: May 2003
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I think that would be possible. There is an audio setup available. If someone is interested in sending us a SID music set we can play it in the background.

2014-07-03 20:15

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1926

I'd vote for some Hubbard mix during that time!

2014-07-03 21:11

WVL

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898

I still have that cable! Any offers? ;-)

2014-07-09 07:14

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

More improvements have been made to the upcoming X-party. By popular demand we have expanded our video and audio setup to the main hall, so we can bring entertainment to both party area's. Therefore the performances will be held in the basement and the competitions will be in the main hall so all you old lazy people can grab a chair and enjoy the 8bit delight in its full glory on the 3x4 video screen.

For those interested in the specifications:

Main Hall
Big phat audio setup (4x EAW KF600 top + 4x SB600 sub)
Big screen 4 by 3 meters
4500 Ansi Lumen projector
4 meter truss for the projector and atmospheric lighting

Music Basement
Stage 4x3 meter at 40cm height
Big phat audio system comparable to X-2012
Big Screen 3 by 2:25 meters
4500 Ansi Lumen projector
4 meter truss for the stage
4 meter truss for extra lighting and the projector
4x Moving head for lighting
1x stroboscope
1x smoke machine
8 parrs and 2 profiles

2014-07-10 08:11

Smasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519

checking general compo rules...
"Your entry (or part of it) may not have been released before the party actually takes place."

how strict is that rule? so all sid used must be brand new? same for any gfx? chars included?

I know that sounds like a stupid question (ok, it's a stupid question), but it's better to clarify now as I don't want my supercool demo ranked #1 and then see it squalified for reusing CBM fonts... :)

greetz, Federico

2014-07-10 08:58

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Quote: checking general compo rules...
"Your entry (or part of it) may not have been released before the party actually takes place."

how strict is that rule? so all sid used must be brand new? same for any gfx? chars included?

I know that sounds like a stupid question (ok, it's a stupid question), but it's better to clarify now as I don't want my supercool demo ranked #1 and then see it squalified for reusing CBM fonts... :)

greetz, Federico

The rule is not that strict. The only reason why we use it is to prevent already (or partially) released demos and demoparts from entering the competition.

2014-07-10 09:14

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

that rule is on all parties, just use common sense. music / gfx/demo that already competed can not reenter compos. and I dont remember ever a demo being disqualified because of reused gfx/code/music. it might happen still if most of the demo is already released, but no1 did such a demo so far.

2014-07-10 09:26

Smasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519

Hi. Thanks Tim and Oswald for the reply.
It has been a while since my last 8bit party (I guess Lady D was still alive back then) so I don't know much about standard demoparty rules...
greetz, Federico

2014-07-10 10:26

Flex

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 110

Tim,

Would you guys please blast some Linus / Jammer / whoever tunes from the PA system before the music compo, just to make sure the bass won't clip and go blurry this time. :-)

What I've seen and heard, many times the bass settings has been too loud and even spoiled a few entrys.

But of course you already knew this, just had to let it out this time.. Really excited to come to Someren again and to see all the great guys (and demos of course).

2014-07-10 14:32

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

No worries, Flex.

I've heard it through the grapevine that the orgas are going to blast those infamous Linus tunes the whole-time-24/7-as-long-as-the-party-lasts-even-during
-the-sid-compo(tm) anyway.

Just so you know.

2014-07-10 19:08

Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510

You just convinced me to come, Linus. ;-)

2014-07-11 07:42

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Hi Flex,

Thanx for your comment I will forward it to our audio engineer. He is on vacation so he will probably react later.

2014-07-11 09:27

DjS

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 48

Quote: No worries, Flex.

I've heard it through the grapevine that the orgas are going to blast those infamous Linus tunes the whole-time-24/7-as-long-as-the-party-lasts-even-during
-the-sid-compo(tm) anyway.

Just so you know.

Hi Flex,

I'm sorry to hear you weren't happy with the sound at our previous events. But you must admit, we've come a long way. From crappy bedroom speakers in the 90's to a pair of EON's, to two full professional PA systems covering two halls. All made possible because of you and all other sceners who are willing to pay 90 euro's for an all inclusive C64 scene weekend which is solely organized by volunteers.

Within the budget that is given to me I try to get a sound and light set to accomodate 300+ people as good as possible. To reduce transport cost, I have to rent the stuff from local companies which makes the amount of choices I have a lot smaller. So if it means I have to make due with a muddy subwoofer to be able to stay within budget, than so be it. I'll make the best of it and try to have fun, as that is why I'm doing this.
I too would want the X to be able to provide a nice high end PA at the party but unless everybody is willing to pay more, or more people show up that won't happen.

The last two X events, I had before hand (I think it was with Jammer) set the system EQ to compensate a bit for the muddy lows and we played all compo SID's with the same EQ settings on the desk (flat), which I think is only fair but I won't mingle in that discussion.

This time, because of the small entrance fee increase we now have sliced cheese and I had a little more money to juggle with aswell. I was able to get a setup that could turn out to be a lot nicer than the mackie set we had at X10 and 12. I have worked with EAW speakers before and in my experience they deliver. As they are rentals I don't know what state they're in, how old they are or how much beer has been pored in them but we'll see in oktober.

Fingers crossed ;)

The Audio Guy

2014-07-11 15:44

Hate Bush

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462

in 2010, i remember being invited, along with other musicians, to test and adjust the soundsetup before compos. i don't remember anyone criticizing the result. perhaps that's the way - let the most interested guys intervene :)

2014-07-11 16:21

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

what proved to be useful for us at revision: setup EQ _before_ getting intoxicated. and DO NOT TOUCH after that =)

2014-07-11 19:29

Flex

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 110

Quote: Hi Flex,

I'm sorry to hear you weren't happy with the sound at our previous events. But you must admit, we've come a long way. From crappy bedroom speakers in the 90's to a pair of EON's, to two full professional PA systems covering two halls. All made possible because of you and all other sceners who are willing to pay 90 euro's for an all inclusive C64 scene weekend which is solely organized by volunteers.

Within the budget that is given to me I try to get a sound and light set to accomodate 300+ people as good as possible. To reduce transport cost, I have to rent the stuff from local companies which makes the amount of choices I have a lot smaller. So if it means I have to make due with a muddy subwoofer to be able to stay within budget, than so be it. I'll make the best of it and try to have fun, as that is why I'm doing this.
I too would want the X to be able to provide a nice high end PA at the party but unless everybody is willing to pay more, or more people show up that won't happen.

The last two X events, I had before hand (I think it was with Jammer) set the system EQ to compensate a bit for the muddy lows and we played all compo SID's with the same EQ settings on the desk (flat), which I think is only fair but I won't mingle in that discussion.

This time, because of the small entrance fee increase we now have sliced cheese and I had a little more money to juggle with aswell. I was able to get a setup that could turn out to be a lot nicer than the mackie set we had at X10 and 12. I have worked with EAW speakers before and in my experience they deliver. As they are rentals I don't know what state they're in, how old they are or how much beer has been pored in them but we'll see in oktober.

Fingers crossed ;)

The Audio Guy

Thanks for the reply.

In this case I myself can only talk about X12 (where I think esp. Randall's Hexaspeed did suffer from the settings) but in general, what I've seen and heard, the bass-button gets easily turned "to(wards) the max" until it just gets too much.. Many times it still works, until you play Linus for example.. :-)

Like in ZOO2013, every tune sounded great and "bassy" until Linus' "Grandma was a Druglord" was played and the subwoofer started begging for mercy. :-) Maybe the volume kept on rising in the compo or maybe it's just Linus' problem with making it so deep ;-) but I was a little ashamed that otherwise a brilliant tune didn't get the presentation it deserved. Therefore I'm pretty sure that testdriving the PA with such tune would only do good..

Don't get me wrong, I'm satisfied with everything you did at the last X and really can't wait to get the next party started. Also the competitions being held upstairs gives you my both thumbs up!

2014-07-12 09:27

Cresh

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354

The easiest solution is to ban Linus from the competition. ;)

2014-07-13 08:23

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

So somebody else can grab place 13? You mean spirited bastard, Cresh! ;)

2014-07-13 11:47

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335

Quoting Randall

in 2010, i remember being invited, along with other musicians, to test and adjust the soundsetup before compos. i don't remember anyone criticizing the result. perhaps that's the way - let the most interested guys intervene :)

Damn right. Setup was really balanced and selective then, it's the best way to use the most badass and bassy tunes like Linus' ones as a reference.

2014-07-27 21:48

Queen bittin
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as i promised to visit a good friend in Emmen in October i might combine it with visiting the X componight aswell :) if i have enough money to put on my OV-Chipkaart anyome knows if there is a compolurker ticket or something like that ?

2014-07-28 06:20

Cresh

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354

"We do not offer discounted day tickets, the price is non-negotiable!"

2014-07-29 02:44

Queen bittin
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Quote: "We do not offer discounted day tickets, the price is non-negotiable!"

ah okay will see if i can come then, depends on how much money i have i suppose, but will come to X'2016 if i can't come now always wanted to go to X sometime

2014-08-20 17:12

Queen bittin
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can't go to .NL in October had to buy a bunch of school books and other stuff so might come to X'2016

2014-08-21 20:23

DjS

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 48

Too bad for you, more beer for us ^^

2014-08-23 16:34

Dane
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Posts: 421

717 mb audio file. 3,34 gb video file. I'm ready for my performance. :)

2014-08-23 16:44

DKT

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 99

I'll hardly try to be there (after many many years of absence). If it will come true I'll be really glad to be part of it!

2014-08-25 09:05

Reggy
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Quote: 717 mb audio file. 3,34 gb video file. I'm ready for my performance. :)

looking forward to it! :)
may we safely assume the performance will be more than just playing those files? (curious about the live-elements :) )

2014-08-25 09:31

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

A few LED lights on the fingers is usually more than enough live elements.

2014-08-25 09:37

Dane
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I promised Archmage no LED fingers.

Reggy, I never promised to deliver anything live. I'm only there to entertain and pass the time while we wait for results. :)

2014-08-25 12:26

Reggy
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Quoting Dane

Reggy, I never promised to deliver anything live. I'm only there to entertain and pass the time while we wait for results. :)

Ah, my bad :) Still looking forward to it ;)

2014-08-30 14:08

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Holy SID chips! Less than 2 months to party like a beast!

2014-09-03 07:09

Archmage

Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 185

Quoting Dane

I promised Archmage no LED fingers.

I'll hold you to it, Stellan, or I'll bring my glowstick!

2014-09-03 07:15

WVL

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898

Quote: I promised Archmage no LED fingers.

Reggy, I never promised to deliver anything live. I'm only there to entertain and pass the time while we wait for results. :)

LED penis?

I wonder if we could make something like that, so it would 'illuminate' your 'beam' while taking a wizz.. Should save a lot of cleaning for us :-)

2014-09-03 07:37

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

that would also make an awesome "live act" =)

2014-09-03 13:07

bepp

Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 265

I don't like to make promises I can't keep but this time I'm gonna make an exception: I'm gonna be drunk at X =)

2014-09-03 17:07

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

Quoting bepp

I don't like to make promises I can't keep but this time I'm gonna make an exception: I'm gonna be drunk at X =)

so you're gonna stay sober, or do you have troubles with double negations ;))

2014-09-03 21:00

TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219

I definetely will _try_ to be less wrecked than usual ^^ I rather don't promise that I'll succeed in doing so

2014-09-24 08:45

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Just been informed that Maestro/Avatar can no longer come. ... not his fault though. :(

So now there is one spare seat left in the car from Amsterdam airport to the party. We leave at about 12:30pm on Friday. Let me know if you want to join us.

2014-09-24 16:12

redcrab

Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 33

I have a suggestion regarding the GFX-compo.

Last X I'm pretty sure the graphics-mode was left out when presenting each piece at the actual compo. Can we have that this year? (Author, Title, Mode) I really thinks it's easier and more fair to judge a picture if I know what I'm looking at. No need to specify in super detail, but just so one know if we're looking at a plain standard format or not.

Or does this take away the fun for some?

2014-09-25 09:06

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Quote: I have a suggestion regarding the GFX-compo.

Last X I'm pretty sure the graphics-mode was left out when presenting each piece at the actual compo. Can we have that this year? (Author, Title, Mode) I really thinks it's easier and more fair to judge a picture if I know what I'm looking at. No need to specify in super detail, but just so one know if we're looking at a plain standard format or not.

Or does this take away the fun for some?

This sure takes away the fun for those people involved in organising the compo's ;-)

We will be happy when all the compo's will be running smoothly and on time. Besides we will implement a new voting system therefore we have enough challenges already.

So, if this can be displayed during the grafix compo remains to be seen... Enno?

2014-09-25 10:37

Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424

Why not just announce it together with artist and title?

2014-09-25 13:08

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

i thought you were going to use partymeister anyway? :)

2014-09-29 15:14

Spectator
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Posts: 35

Dammit.. i feel like i'm 16 again. Really excited about this upcoming event!

Seeing the number of visitors keeps increasing it's so much fun organizing this. Looking forward to meeting you all.

2014-09-29 16:58

Cresh

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354

Can of bees business @ X still open? Coz North Brabant policy sort of changed, I guess.

2014-10-17 07:54

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

With exactly one week to go the weather forecast looks promising. We still have some beds left so make sure to register or confirm your attendance at X-2014.

It will be a blast!

2014-10-20 08:05

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

One small question about the music compo.... there won't be a deliberate fade-in at the beginning of each tune will there? I don't remember many parties doing this, but just want to double-check.

2014-10-20 16:54

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

no fade-in, and every sid will be played for 3 minutes.

2014-10-20 21:24

Hate Bush

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462

think about making name tags mandatory this time (or at least strongly and clearly suggest using them). after each x party i learn with regret that somebody whose work i adore (or someone that i would simply like to talk to) has been there, but i was unable to recognize him/her due to not wearing a tag :|

2014-10-20 21:27

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

just make yourself a sign with all the names of those people on it!

2014-10-20 21:51

Kristian

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126

I think we should, like in school, all go on stage and introduce ourselves ;)

Don't be scared! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xphzJS5-tHw

2014-10-20 22:07

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1926

Randall: just throw yourself down whenever you meet a new face yelling "I am not worthy! I am not worthy!". Problem solved.

2014-10-20 22:15

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Alice Cooper outfit.... Check!

2014-10-21 04:07

Motion
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Posts: 69

True story... he does actually own one, crotch piece and all! ;)

2014-10-21 05:52

Dane
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Posts: 421

I cut my hair to resemble my CSDB picture. Somehow that seemed like a better option than a Batman suit.

2014-10-21 08:15

daison

Registered: May 2005
Posts: 90

Dane: always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman, then always be Batman.

2014-10-21 08:50

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

I cannot resist! Gonna wear this one as long as the party lasts: http://www.amazon.com/Kitty-Carpet-reusable-downstairs-Jacksons..

2014-10-21 09:24

Hate Bush

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 462

Quote: Randall: just throw yourself down whenever you meet a new face yelling "I am not worthy! I am not worthy!". Problem solved.

thanks for this brilliant advice, but i'm not going there to do what i'm doing daily in real life o_o

2014-10-21 09:55

Cresh

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354

(Your group and handle will be printed on a sticker that is provided to you at the entrance)

I guess there will be name tags this year.

If not, I can bring enough "Hello my name is" stickers.

2014-10-21 19:59

null
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Maybe a bit of a strange request, but is there any chance any soldering pro could help out? I need the little RF box in my A600 desoldered so that I can properly mount the VGA connector of my Indivision ECS in that spot (:

2014-10-21 20:14

Zer0-X
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Ask Fierman if he brings his gas soldering toolkit with him again. I used that to remove the RF modulator from Deekay's C64 last time.

2014-10-21 20:35

null
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Not sure if that's possible. Fierman hasn't been online for the past weeks, but I can bring a basic soldering iron if that helps... (:

2014-10-21 20:37

Zer0-X
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Depends what "basic" means. If it's some 60 watt monster the box will almost fly off. If some 25 watt manicure stick it might take a while.

2014-10-21 20:48

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

sadly fierman cancelled, so you need to solder with someone else.

2014-10-21 21:18

null
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Posts: 645

Quote: Depends what "basic" means. If it's some 60 watt monster the box will almost fly off. If some 25 watt manicure stick it might take a while.

It's a 15W weller, so I guess that's gonna take ages...

Also, shame to hear fierman can't make it :(

2014-10-21 21:46

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

Quote:

fierman cancelled

;_;

2014-10-21 22:57

Celtic
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807

So due to an electrical surge or something i dont particularly understand both my fridge and washing machine broke down. So no money for X :(...

How can i unregister? I wanted to let the organisers know that to my everlasting disappointment i wont be coming...

2014-10-21 23:23

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

you cant, you'll have to come regardless

2014-10-22 06:50

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Too bad you can't make it :(

Please send an email to: x2014@high5.nl

2014-10-22 17:32

cba

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 935

Quote: So due to an electrical surge or something i dont particularly understand both my fridge and washing machine broke down. So no money for X :(...

How can i unregister? I wanted to let the organisers know that to my everlasting disappointment i wont be coming...

Too bad, I've removed you from the confirmed list.

2014-10-25 14:09

Queen bittin
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Posts: 119

For us at home: http://sentinel.scenesat.com:8000/scenesat Live from X'2014 COMMOODORE 64 GEEKS #internetradio #c64 #Netherlands

2014-10-25 15:29

mankeli

Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 141

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H91kWpUNiwU

2014-10-25 15:43

Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275

Quote: For us at home: http://sentinel.scenesat.com:8000/scenesat Live from X'2014 COMMOODORE 64 GEEKS #internetradio #c64 #Netherlands

Only audio here... anyone with video?

2014-10-25 18:08

Queen bittin
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Posts: 119

Quote: Only audio here... anyone with video?

they only streamed audio but started streaming some video now its gfx compo: http://www.scenesat.com/video

2014-10-25 22:10

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

Impressed!!!!!

2014-10-25 23:46

Lead

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 20

Wow, X2014 was a wicked experience. We met a lot of people and had serval blasts from the pasts. X2014 triggered met to try to pick up coding again...

There we're some great demo's in the contest. Its amazing what they can squeeze out of the 64k @ <1mHz....

Getting ready for X2016 ;)

2014-10-26 06:06

JAYCE - THE MiNiSTRY

Registered: Jul 2013
Posts: 2

I am SO looking forward to seeing the new demos... I've duct taped my head so my mind won't blow!

2014-10-26 08:08

Peacemaker

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248

back from the x party , and what can i say? it was great to meet all the people and have watched those fantastic demos. especially the offence / flt / prosonix, censor / oxy , shape, hoaxers and ofcourse booze design demo =)

2014-10-26 09:10

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

It was a blast!

2014-10-26 09:40

Rough
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Posts: 1829

I watched the start of the demo compo stream and already liked Mahoney's and Cyberbrain's demos. I've got a thrill of anticipation to watch the rest. :)

2014-10-26 13:33

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498

As far as I can tell organizers did *everything* right this year, making this X a perfect party experience! No delay on the compos and best idea of all: having a planned break during the democompo to take a piss, smoke a cigarette and get a new drink. Great job guys!

The party seemed to be flooded by musicians - and it was really great to get to know a few more of you guys in person.

Compos were high standard to mind-blowing. Awesome!

2014-10-26 14:49

DCMP
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Posts: 59

Lovely to have seen so many familiar faces again. Also nice to have met some new people.
Hopefully next time I might have a contribution ready. At least the ideas are there :)

2014-10-26 15:12

Angel of Death

Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 211

Once again it was a total blast!
Huge thumbs up to the organisers and much thanks also to everyone else there for just being there. Great party guys. See you next time!

2014-10-26 18:25

xIII

Registered: Nov 2008
Posts: 210

When will all the releases be online ?

doh! nvm :p

2014-10-26 19:01

redcrab

Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 33

Thanks for an awesome event! The compo time scedule and the new GREAT voting system made the compos a very comfortable experience. Keep that! Also the whole venue is so great with proper sleeping rooms (and having a live full size march orchestra accopaning your toilet dutys is just beyond awesome) :)

Thanks to all nice people I met, organisers, performers and the rest of you guys! My tail will keep waggling for several days <3

2014-10-26 19:24

Skate

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494

It was the best scene party i've ever been including recent X parties, Breakpoints etc. I'd like to thank all the organizers and all the amazing sceners who showed up.

2014-10-26 19:59

Seven

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202

The one bad part about X: it's always too short to talk to everyone I'd have loved to talk to. Looking forward to that being fixed in 2016 when I won't be talking to anyone I've talked to this year and concentrate on the rest. ;)

Awesome weekend.

2014-10-26 20:18

DjS

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 48

Lol, everybody raise your beer!

2014-10-26 20:26

Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799

At one time Harlequin shouted to put your beer in the air.
I was about to swing the contents of bottle onto the crowd... Almost.

Both thumbs up for the voting system, BTW!

2014-10-26 20:41

Axis/Oxyron
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Posts: 91

OMG, this was a blast! Thanks to all the orgas. You made this the best scene event ever.

2014-10-26 21:08

Jok

Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 11

thx for great party!
greetings to all people I've met there

2014-10-26 22:56

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

My only complaint is that nonsceners were allowed. For instance I talked to an artist that just went to X because he thought it was interesting to see people use old computers in a creative way. WTF is a guy like that doing there? It totally ruins the scene spirit. You should be a certified scener with a long trackrecord of scene activity to be let in.

Just kidding, it was such a fantastic and perfectly organized event! Better than Christmas, bacon and sex combined. :)

Btw, sorry for pissing in the hedge, which Scout caught me doing. He told me it meant that they would have to pay to get the hedge cleaned. So yeah, sorry again.

2014-10-26 23:05

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

"Sproutka" FTW!!!11

Thank you all who made this party a fantastic memory to tell my grandchildren!

2014-10-26 23:08

Scout

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570

@Cruzer: nope, it wasn't me who caught you.
If it was me, I'd joined in instead ;-)

2014-10-26 23:42

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

<Post edited by CreaMD on 27/10-2014 00:44>

Cruzer: pissing in the hedge is still better than unwittingly pissing from the stairs in front of who knows how many shocked people, sleeping it out and only learn next morning from CBA who considers you a certified stoner while you actually drank just few(?)(belgian?) beers (forgetting that you took sickness pills on the trip to the party)... not that I want to apologize for anything... eveyone has their reputation in their own my hands... as I had mine... literally ;-))))

2014-10-26 23:42

mankeli

Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 141

Lots of thanks to organizers and everybody for a great party!

2014-10-27 00:20

HCL

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727

Best X so far!! Everything considering the organizing worked just smooth.. The range of beers was improved since there was no Grolsch :), and the food was better than i expected. Thumbs up!

..and the Polish sceners never stop to impress me with their generosity and warmly welcoming. Where ever they go, they bring their own party with food, drinks, and great scene spirit!! You could have expected the opposite, considering last X's downvoting-discussion (which i will not bring up again), but these guys are a pure bliss to the scene!!

2014-10-27 05:38

Jope

Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 25

What a nice party once again. Thanks to the orgas and all the cool guys who made the atmosphere. :-)

Until next time..

2014-10-27 07:00

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504

@Cruzer: That hedge is just so inviting to have your final pee before going to bed :-D

2014-10-27 07:09

Dwangi

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130

Great releases as Always on X parties, but hey.
Look at the top demos, 3 or 4 disksides and teams with 10 people.
Small demos have no chance at this party. I would really like to see a onefiler from Graham or Cruzer :)

2014-10-27 07:26

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335

Scene is starting to divide into AAA and indie as games did ;)

2014-10-27 07:34

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Quote: @Cruzer: nope, it wasn't me who caught you.
If it was me, I'd joined in instead ;-)

It was I :)

@Cruzer: appologies accepted, believe me I don't want to be the guy explaining to the owners why it is smelling like piss at the entrance and how it should be cleaned... ;)

2014-10-27 09:16

Isildur

Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275

Quote: Scene is starting to divide into AAA and indie as games did ;)

There's a simple fix for that: no remote entries and no coop entries.

2014-10-27 09:26

Sander

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 493

Quote: There's a simple fix for that: no remote entries and no coop entries.

1 disc (side) limit might solve this :)

2014-10-27 09:33

Peacemaker

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248

2 disc side limit, IF there would be a limit. i am not sure about that.

2014-10-27 09:46

Cresh

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354

@Isildur
There was "no remote entries" rule at this year's X. ;)

2014-10-27 10:04

Perplex

Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 255

Huge thanks to everyone involved for making this the best party experience so far - endless amounts of beer, compos running on schedule, a flawless voting system, lots of great people and fantastic productions to enjoy on the big screen. Where do I sign up for X'2016?

2014-10-27 10:37

encore

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 67

First X-party for me and what a nice one! Greatly (understatement) organized, was fun to finally meeting a lot of you guys IRL, having lots of great conversations and watching/hearing exciting entries. Travelled back home with this great feeling in my stomache of taking part in something wonderful.

2014-10-27 10:39

hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723

I am a complete wreck today. And it's all your fault! And I love it! It was a great weekend, and it was awesome to experience the great organization of this years X. Compos ruled, and the voting system was divine. Thanks to all the organizers. It was also really nice to finally meet a lot of old and new friends, even if I was busy copying disks for too many hours. It was such a nice atmosphere, and the food was REALLY good! 10/10! See you all in 2016!

The C64 will never die, thanks to you guys, orgas and visitors!

2014-10-27 10:55

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

@Scout/Tim: You Dutch people all look the same, especially in the dark. :) I'll try to use the toilettes faicilitetjes next time.

@Conrad: Unbelievable skillz in beating the sproutka challenge! Probably the most impressive feat of the whole party. :)

2014-10-27 11:03

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

@Conrad: You *really* drank it? I mean ... like ... seriously? The smell alone almost made me vomit! Maximum respect, an incredible achievement that can hardly be surpassed. Just wow! :)

2014-10-27 11:25

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

did you know that the voting system reported:

- in total 8972 votes got cast of which 300 got deleted.
- first vote got cast at 16:20:10, last vote at 00:58:53.
- minimum amount of voters per entry was 136, the maximum 161.
- there was 4 points difference between #1 (756) and #2 (752) of the demo compo. some stats expert could maybe say something about statistical signifigance, maybe it's too close to call ;)
- peak: during the graphics compo at 20:04, in one minute 223 votes got handled.
- the core i7-4558U it was running on, never reached a load higher than 0.4.
- the wifi spectrum got quite saturated at times, especially sad for sofasceners who probably missed parts of the compos.
- pantaloon was first to register into the voting system at 16:05.

2014-10-27 12:02

Toggle

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 32

Thanks to all of you for this fantastic party! I was a bit scared because it was my first demo party at all but it turned out to be a blast. Perfectly organized! Sadly I couldn't say hello to everyone I wanted to but nevertheless it was a great pleasure to meet so many of you in person! :-)

2014-10-27 13:26

tFt

Registered: Mar 2013
Posts: 6

Thanks for a great party! Had a blast.
Mandatory Dead Inside feeling in progress :/

2014-10-27 13:39

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

Quote: @Conrad: You *really* drank it? I mean ... like ... seriously? The smell alone almost made me vomit! Maximum respect, an incredible achievement that can hardly be surpassed. Just wow! :)

Two in actual fact. :) ... also eat a sprout in the process. :D

2014-10-27 13:40

Stone

Registered: Oct 2006
Posts: 172

Thanks to everyone for a fantastic party, especially to the organizers for arranging a perfect event. Food was excellent, transportation, voting system, compos, sound system, everything was flawless. Hats off!

2014-10-27 14:37

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

Quote:

8972 votes got cast of which 300 got deleted

i demand drama now, please explain! =)

awesome event as usual... and fuckings to everyone who went to sleep before 5am. can you spell L A M E R S ? =)

2014-10-27 14:46

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498

Quoting Groepaz

and fuckings to everyone who went to sleep before 5am. can you spell L A M E R S ? =)

I know it's maybe no real excuse, but my problem was that I had a job interview this morning. So I hope i can at least spell L A M E R T H A T H A S N E W J O B T O G E T M O N E Y T O V I S I T M O R E P A R T I E S N E X T Y E A R soon =)

2014-10-27 16:12

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1926

Best were the pre-printed readable name tags turning the large Anonymous Alcoholics meeting from 2012 and 2010 into Seen Alcoholics X-2014. Surely that will be abused for funny names next time :)

Still there definatly is something wrong with dutch beer when you need to add that much hard alcohol to glance an effect :)

Holger!

2014-10-27 16:15

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

Quoting Groepaz

Quote:
8972 votes got cast of which 300 got deleted

i demand drama now, please explain! =)

You could delete/readd your votes till 0:58. This happened 300 times exactly. I did that myself at least once.

2014-10-27 16:36

Dane
Account closed

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421

Oh I thought you parsed and deleted the self-votes. :)

2014-10-27 16:42

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

heh no, but now I did a query that reveals result if I would discard votes under 4 stars.

;)

2014-10-27 17:00

Dane
Account closed

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421

I meant something like discard my vote for our demo and the Shape members for theirs etc. I think that was done when we papervoted. Not that it matters now, though. I really appreciated the schedule - where the wifi voting helped loads - and the rest is water under the bridge. :)

2014-10-27 17:04

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

funny thing though, results didnt change ;)

2014-10-27 17:16

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

Quote:

You could delete/readd your votes till 0:58. This happened 300 times exactly. I did that myself at least once.

you mean there wasnt an authority sitting in a dark room that deleted the wrong votes? BOOOOORING :(

2014-10-27 17:48

Kristian

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126

Quote: I meant something like discard my vote for our demo and the Shape members for theirs etc. I think that was done when we papervoted. Not that it matters now, though. I really appreciated the schedule - where the wifi voting helped loads - and the rest is water under the bridge. :)

Dane, I agree, I feel quite uncomfortable voting for myself, but on the other hand I loved how the voting system worked, so I wouldn't wanna change it either - unless it could have some kind of an autodelete-votes-for-productions-you-are-involved-in-feature. Then again, politicians vote for themselves in elections, so I guess it's ok.

2014-10-27 18:14

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

if we have voted on ourselves error 23 could have won the breakpoint it entered. ;)

2014-10-27 18:56

soci

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 479

I'm not sure if it'd helped ;) Sometimes you also need luck.

2014-10-27 19:04

Digger

Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 427

@Burglar

Great voting system! Very smooth, maybe with the exception of graphics compo, too many refreshes caused DoS ;-)

Is there any chance to get Apache logs from voting? I'd like to present them as animated data visualisation i.e. to see the average rating over time, etc.

Thanks!

2014-10-27 19:19

Sphinx

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 20

First Party Video Uploaded: Priceceremony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWfVJkgZFbU&feature=youtu.be

2014-10-27 20:26

Digger

Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 427

Has anyone got any idea if Bas Bron had published the playlist from his set?
He'd played a lot of great C64 tunes that I don't know but there are likely there in HVSC.

Thanks!

In the meantime something else from him for your ears and eyes ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBVIHgQJ09s

2014-10-27 21:39

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

Quote: First Party Video Uploaded: Priceceremony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWfVJkgZFbU&feature=youtu.be

what an army of oxy guys at the end, wow 8)

2014-10-27 22:44

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1926

Quote: what an army of oxy guys at the end, wow 8)

One less now as I heard! heh :)

2014-10-28 07:43

Dr.j

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 277

Surprisingly no one refer to what Jammer wrote..
he raised very important issue
"Scene is starting to divide into AAA and indie as games did ;) " so now every group who want to
compete the top releases need to build coalitions ?
i prefer to stay in one small group like in old days so
every release (group) got its own identity

2014-10-28 08:05

hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723

Are the dates set for X'2016 yet? I want to register. ;)

2014-10-28 08:19

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

Quote: Surprisingly no one refer to what Jammer wrote..
he raised very important issue
"Scene is starting to divide into AAA and indie as games did ;) " so now every group who want to
compete the top releases need to build coalitions ?
i prefer to stay in one small group like in old days so
every release (group) got its own identity

its natural given that the scene shrinks + good demos needs more and more effort. good coders / gfxians etc find themselves in empty groups, they have to team up with others, but most wont let their groupname because of the tradition.

2014-10-28 08:25

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

the scene isn't shrinking, its growing.

2014-10-28 08:31

Yazoo

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227

agree to oswald here. after coma light 13 we felt kind of burned out.
i doubt, that we would have come up with something big on our own this
time. so the coop somehow kept us in business.
i think i can say, that also censor design would probably not have a
big demo without the cooperation this time.

and is it that much of an advantage to have a big team like this? i
mean... think of the communications with an 18 ppl team... with some
even living in different timezones. i think i have spent ~50% of my
time with chatting, sending e-mails and stuff like that, instead of
coming up with gfx.
having 18 ppl on board doesnt mean you are 6x as effective as a
3-man gang.
it also is much harder to come up with a proper design-concept, as
18 ppl have their own ideas which they would like to see in the demo.

2014-10-28 08:52

Peacemaker

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248

waiting for x2016 and the winner demo from the coop-demo from booze, censor, oxyron, offence, shape, hoaxers, camelot, prosonix and fairlight =)

agree yazoo. there are some contras ofcourse, but all in all there are more pros to have a big team. and time changed, where you have svn but better organisation, project-management, where you just replace a gfx, type "make all" (hello groepaz :) ) and get new .d64 out of it.

2014-10-28 12:09

Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639

Ah, the question of cooperation, for me tightly coupled with the question of multiple group membership...

I would rather see a two disk side Oxyron demo and a two disk side Censor demo than a four disk side Censor+Oxyron demo, because I like the competition between different groups.

Think of it as football, or some other sport: You might be friends with the players in the other teams, but you still face them as opponents on the field. Having just two or three super teams with players from all over the place might lead to a few excellent matches, but also to a boring league in the long run.

2014-10-28 12:28

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

Agree with radiantx. Down with the multinational megacooperations! :)

2014-10-28 12:52

Shadow
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 355

Well, on the one hand I can see the validity in some of argument against creating too powerful conglomerates, on the other hand I really, really dig the quality of those megareleases we have gotten lately... :)

2014-10-28 12:52

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

Quote:

I would rather see a two disk side Oxyron demo and a two disk side Censor demo than a four disk side Censor+Oxyron demo

this!

also limiting the compo to something like two disk sides and 10 minutes running time max would be a very good idea, IMHO. i have to admit that i dont like this trend of stuffing tons of anims and samples on several disk sides at all.

2014-10-28 12:56

Yazoo

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227

tbh i do agree with that limiting to 2 disksides. to keep up the competition as it should be, it probably needs clear rules. otherwise it will always be like this:

group xy has 4 disksides... ok, i am going to come up with 5 or i gonna lose the next time

you have my vote on that rule

2014-10-28 13:14

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

I would add only one rule. (edit) Following rules: (edit) it is actually a single rule.. ok... The demo should end with "The End" screen. And if anyone gets the idea of having megagreetings, megascroller, mega-data-streamer-scroll from disk, or superduper realtime precalculated fractal megazoomer part (that runs 10 minutes), he should run that after "the end screen part" or hide it ;-)

...not that I have anything to preach to anyone (except of being nice to each other and stop downvoting your direct competitors, that is...)

2014-10-28 13:20

Yazoo

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227

edit:
heh... whats so wrong about our endpart taking taking 10 minutes? the only mistake in my opinion was, that it wasnt clear enough its the endpart. thats something i do agree to. other than that: you dont like to see 10 mins of greetings... pull the plug after 20 seconds :) easy...

2014-10-28 13:28

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

If you did add THE END screen, and then continued with greetings part, believe me, you would win the compo BY A HUGE GAP... (edit, adding friendly smiley) ;-)

2014-10-28 13:30

Yazoo

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227

yep. as mentioned. i agree that it wasnt clear enough, that this was the endpart. it was not intentional to let everybody think they have to wait

2014-10-28 13:31

Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424

I agree with CreaMD. It was also a boring greetings part, because the delay caused by loading the next sample/logo was just a tad bit too long. So in the end I was bored, and that's something that shouldn't happen in an X-winning demo.

You went from the best greetings part ever (CL13) to the worst, imho.

2014-10-28 13:47

Sphinx

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 20

c´mon guys... only humans are creating the demos. ;-)
jep, it was a fault, that is was not clear enough, that it is an endpart, but i agree with yazoo, that otherwise, it doesnt matter, if the endpart would play short, long or longer...
so..stop it then, when you are bored enough... ;-)

2014-10-28 13:50

spider-j

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 498

Totally agree with that 2 disk sides limitation idea.

2014-10-28 14:10

Dr.j

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 277

as Spider-J wrote , me too support 2 side limit. i think it could be much cool and less time of demos

2014-10-28 14:19

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

yep 2 sides ought to be enough for everyone :) more code, less stuffing.

2014-10-28 14:37

Kristian

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126

I disagree on the two disk limit.. and the timelimit for that matter. The demo-compo is the highlight of the party (atleast for me it is) and the longer it lasts, the better.

Of course, I'd rather see a two sided Oxyron demo and a two sided Censor demo than a four sided coop demo, but if the alternatives are a four sided coop demo or no demos at all, I know what I'd choose - any day of the week.

2014-10-28 14:42

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

I'm with Kristian. (coz he is cool dude, of course) Edit: but you shouldn't make mistakes of making ending of demos unclear coz it loses you points.

2014-10-28 14:54

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGK2CXwn1-U

2014-10-28 15:09

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504

Quote: Ah, the question of cooperation, for me tightly coupled with the question of multiple group membership...

I would rather see a two disk side Oxyron demo and a two disk side Censor demo than a four disk side Censor+Oxyron demo, because I like the competition between different groups.

Think of it as football, or some other sport: You might be friends with the players in the other teams, but you still face them as opponents on the field. Having just two or three super teams with players from all over the place might lead to a few excellent matches, but also to a boring league in the long run.

If it would just be that easy. Then suddenly pack ratio changes, the splitted files overwrite IO or other democode, loading time changes as content moves on the disk and thus a file laying on one track might suddenly end up laying across two tracks. Syncs do not fit any more due to more loading time (despite buffers). Been there, linked that. Do not come up with easy said solutions if you did not feel the pain :-)

2014-10-28 15:18

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504

The next greetings part is going to be short, as greeting parts bore all, there's no need to add your groups anyway ;-)

2014-10-28 15:58

The Human Code Machine

Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 112

Quote: I agree with CreaMD. It was also a boring greetings part, because the delay caused by loading the next sample/logo was just a tad bit too long. So in the end I was bored, and that's something that shouldn't happen in an X-winning demo.

You went from the best greetings part ever (CL13) to the worst, imho.

Now I know that winning a competition is a bad thing... releasing an unfinished end part is a bad thing... doing coops is a bad thing... doing more than 2 disk sides is a bad thing... but, going to the X-Party was great!!!

2014-10-28 16:11

v3to

Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150

well... this sounds so familiar and is one reason why i quit doing demo stuff in the future. the delay is an issue, where the demo is not finished yet. please be patient...

2014-10-28 16:21

Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424

Hey Oliver, please don't take it too personal.
We're really just nitpicking here, since we don't have much to complain at all. :)

2014-10-28 16:41

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

Bitbreaker, yeah that's why I hated the part.. you didn't greet DMAgic... (tears start slowly rolling over the cheeks...)

2014-10-28 16:43

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

Veto, nobody was pointing fingers to your direction. You did a cool job of making it cute and loveable. The dude responsible for dramaturgy is guilty! Whoever that was ;-)

And what Mr.SID said.

2014-10-28 16:47

v3to

Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150

creamd: dmagic should be in there... same time as fairlight - just spot the lower border.

for issues with the endpart, please check out the production note by thcm

http://csdb.dk/release/?id=133940&show=notes#notes

2014-10-28 16:59

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

Veto, thanx I'm quite surprised. It's a real honor to be greeted in such a cool production. Will check it on rl mchn when I get time for propper demo session.

2014-10-28 20:33

Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799

I'm glad we could watch the entire greetings part. Not that I expected my group to be greeted, but purely out of respect for Veto and his logos.

2014-10-28 21:25

Sphinx

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 20

2nd Party-Video - Demo-Competition Part 1 (until after Hoaxers-Demo):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHaUkfcwzrw&feature=youtu.be

2014-10-28 22:44

HCL

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727

..still could not get laid :P

2014-10-28 22:46

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

next X: hookers

2014-10-28 23:08

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

Next X: Relocated to the red light district.

2014-10-28 23:20

booker

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334

The only thing I missed a bit was the fact demos were loaded from Ultimate. I mean for those multi-disk demos it kinda takes away the floppy feeling. Thanks for much better food this time, keep it! :D

Also, after some discussions with Dezert/Charged we'd like to submit an upgrade idea for voting system. If you would add 1) voting transpose option and 2) votes refactor it would be cool.

1) in here you can tell all your votes in the group (msx,gfx,demo,whatever) you want all +/-{value}. One reason for it is at some point in compo there's an entry you feel is above anything else already seen/heard, and you'd like to change all past votes, say all -1, so you up-vote something new.

2) in here you could tell ie. all entries you voted 3 you want to become 2 or 4. Or all votes you gave 4 you want to give 3. Personally I had to to this somewhere at the end of music compo, because I felt so. This required I had to change 20 or so votes :)

Cheers
b.

2014-10-28 23:34

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088

@booker, thats a pretty nice idea for the voting system. gonna setup a todo/feature request list in some time, so yea I'm looking for suggestions

2014-10-28 23:36

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

also "randomize votes" please :)

2014-10-29 03:42

Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048

Quote: also "randomize votes" please :)

LOL! Also an autovote feature that uses the webcam to determine how much you cheer for each entry. ;)

2014-10-29 08:05

cavey

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 68

While you're at it, a crowd-o-meter for voting? :P Number of decibels produced by the crowd gives you an edge at voting time :P

Quite funny, during the second half of the demo compo I was standing near the Censor guys. During the greeting part one of 'm wanted to run up to the compo machine to say it was the final part of the demo, but then someone from the crowd yelled somethign along the lines of "let it run! There's still another part after this".

:D You should probably blame that someone instead of the creators of the (admittedly) lengthy greeter/endpart ;)

2014-10-29 08:06

cavey

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 68

Oh, for those wondering about next X: just note down the last weekend of october 2016 and wait for the official announcement. At least that way you might have somehting to look forward to :D

(Don't blame me for wrongful deduction based on past couple of X's and the dates by the way)

2014-10-29 08:16

Tim

Registered: May 2003
Posts: 77

Cavey might be right :)

2014-10-29 08:24

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578

Quoting Groepaz

next X: hookers

Quoting Cruzer

Next X: Relocated to the red light district.

Wasn't there a stripper on X'2006?

2014-10-29 08:28

Axis/Oxyron
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91

To everyone complaining about the Oxyron & Censor demo beeing too big/long. If you exclude the turn disk parts and the end part, and everyone can stop them when he gets bored, the running time of our demo is just 10-11 minutes. This is smaller than the running time of all X winners of the last 6 years. Also the amount of single screens is smaller. The only difference is, that its delivered on 4 disksides. Ok, we buy a packer next time. ;o)

I also read some critics on doing such a coop and working with such a big team. Well, the only alternative would have been to have no Censor demo at all and a very small Oxyron demo. To the time, the decision was made, Censor had no one to do the linking job and Oxyron´s only coder was Bitbreaker. I think no one prefers that szenario. And the coop was the obvious awnser to these problems. That the team got so big in the end is mainly caused by many people getting interested in the project when seeing the first previews. For me, it was "the logo" that got me back in the c-64 business. Atleast for this X.

2014-10-29 08:36

WVL

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898

Quote: ..still could not get laid :P

You didn't notice everyone shouting they wanted your babies?

2014-10-29 09:11

Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639

Well, what I can I say that hasnt already been said yet?

_Fucking_ amazing party that even succeeded in topping my former personal fav x2010!

I met so many old friends (Psycho, Randall, Conrad, Peiselulli, tons more) again and also got to talk to a lot of great people whom I havent met before (not so random hello to Sidman and OctaveSounds)!

Hell, even the food was great this time!

Thumbs up to the organizers and especially to the lovely polish gang and their warm, friendly and humours attitude. X wouldnt be the same without you!

What a blast!

2014-10-29 09:25

Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639

Quote: If it would just be that easy. Then suddenly pack ratio changes, the splitted files overwrite IO or other democode, loading time changes as content moves on the disk and thus a file laying on one track might suddenly end up laying across two tracks. Syncs do not fit any more due to more loading time (despite buffers). Been there, linked that. Do not come up with easy said solutions if you did not feel the pain :-)

I don't see how that has anything to do with anything I wrote?

2014-10-29 09:31

Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639

Quoting Axis/Oxyron

I also read some critics on doing such a coop and working with such a big team. Well, the only alternative would have been to have no Censor demo at all and a very small Oxyron demo. To the time, the decision was made, Censor had no one to do the linking job and Oxyron´s only coder was Bitbreaker. I think no one prefers that szenario. And the coop was the obvious awnser to these problems. That the team got so big in the end is mainly caused by many people getting interested in the project when seeing the first previews. For me, it was "the logo" that got me back in the c-64 business. Atleast for this X.

So these large cooperations are basically little more than an iron lung for a terminally ill scene?

2014-10-29 09:54

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504

Quoting radiantx

I don't see how that has anything to do with anything I wrote?

Yeah, sorry, clicked on the quote button of the wrong post :-) Edit not available, bad luck :-) I meant to answer on the comment from peacemaker instead ;-)

2014-10-29 09:55

Dane
Account closed

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421

Great party, some of the best party organizing ever.

The schedule was well executed and the voting system helped to save lots of time. Sleeping facilities are good and we had a relaxed attitude going in the 'other' building.

I'll carry the experience of people dancing like maniacs to my music with me for a long time to come. And I'll never forget the roar when David's rasterbars started rotating.

And finally, the best part of X 2014 was the warm and friendly attitude from new found friends in Poland. That wine! That barbecue! You're the reason we keep doing things like this.

2014-10-29 10:37

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

"And I'll never forget the roar when David's rasterbars started rotating."

Yeah! Had chance to catch some of that in live stream.

2014-10-29 13:17

Conrad

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847

The Polish BBQ (and wodka) is something you shouldn't miss out on. I must have ate a full cow that day. :)

2014-10-29 13:29

null
Account closed

Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645

Quote: You didn't notice everyone shouting they wanted your babies?

That was mostly me tho :D

2014-10-29 14:18

booker

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334

Quoting Groepaz

also "randomize votes" please :)

better - 'vote like Groepaz' option. I'd buy it :)

2014-10-29 15:13

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

I think most important feature would be "downvote everyone else...".

2014-10-29 15:31

cavey

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 68

Hey guys, how did you find the game competition? I know it was a bit messy (at least, I thought it was a bit messy).

Any tips for improvements? What about the sign up process? I spread around a couple of lists, and apparently some guys did sign up, but weren't noted down by me in my lil spreadsheet. So I wonder where/how they signed up :D

I'd like to improve a bit on user response, game type (IK+? Ninja suggested perhaps some marble madness 4 player mayhem).

2014-10-29 15:57

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11357

Quote:

better - 'vote like Groepaz' option. I'd buy it :)

vote like [dropdown list with all registered people]

... and i'd buy THAT =)

2014-10-29 16:07

cavey

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 68

Vote like all registered no show people ;)

2014-10-29 18:11

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1926

Cavey:
- at least two round for all matches
- higher score on the quarter, half and final rounds to play to
- afair there is a key combo to disable the balls - check with ninja :)
- guess the signup will always stay the same - just needs more attention drawing sheets probably

2014-10-29 19:56

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504

Like this? Fufuufuuu

2014-10-30 07:59

Axis/Oxyron
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91

Quote: Quoting Axis/Oxyron
I also read some critics on doing such a coop and working with such a big team. Well, the only alternative would have been to have no Censor demo at all and a very small Oxyron demo. To the time, the decision was made, Censor had no one to do the linking job and Oxyron´s only coder was Bitbreaker. I think no one prefers that szenario. And the coop was the obvious awnser to these problems. That the team got so big in the end is mainly caused by many people getting interested in the project when seeing the first previews. For me, it was "the logo" that got me back in the c-64 business. Atleast for this X.

So these large cooperations are basically little more than an iron lung for a terminally ill scene?

Yep, its a bit like that. The critical point is the linking. I think at the moment there are 5 coders out there that have the experience to do proper linking for a competitive trackmo and have the will to spend the 500+ hours to do so, without getting any benefit or fame for it. I´ve been there, done that, never will do it again! So all other coders, artist and musicians crowd themselves around these 5 people. The good thing on the coops is, that atleast the knowlegde gets shared.

My advice: Dont burn these people. If they are gone, the scene is dead!

2014-10-30 08:08

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

Cool reading.

2014-10-30 08:31

booker

Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334

Quoting Axis/Oxyron

(...) I´ve been there, done that, never will do it again! (...)

Why not, the demo is cool.

Quoting Axis/Oxyron

My advice: Dont burn these people. If they are gone, the scene is dead!

And that's very fair point, imho.

Actually, my advice (not that anyone would care): stop worrying about ppl saying group co-ops are bad - any reasoning invalid. Fuck that!

2014-10-30 08:51

hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723

Quote: Yep, its a bit like that. The critical point is the linking. I think at the moment there are 5 coders out there that have the experience to do proper linking for a competitive trackmo and have the will to spend the 500+ hours to do so, without getting any benefit or fame for it. I´ve been there, done that, never will do it again! So all other coders, artist and musicians crowd themselves around these 5 people. The good thing on the coops is, that atleast the knowlegde gets shared.

My advice: Dont burn these people. If they are gone, the scene is dead!

We do have Spindle 1.0 these days, but perhaps that isn't flexible enough? I am no coder, so I wouldn't know, but I do know lft is some kind of a genius. :)

2014-10-30 10:29

cavey

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 68

C0: thanks for the feedback! Will device some tournament strategies :D

No complaints about the preliminary knockout phase?

2014-10-30 14:50

Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
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Quote: We do have Spindle 1.0 these days, but perhaps that isn't flexible enough? I am no coder, so I wouldn't know, but I do know lft is some kind of a genius. :)

Had a look at it. Not applicable.
In our case we wasted the following for non effect stuff:

Global used ZP addresses: $02-$09

Reserved space for the loader and depacker (standalone + on the fly): $0200-$03ff

Linking framework for a bit less pain, to have a base irq and some save exiting load/depack calls that won't be overwritten on load/depack: $0800-$089x

Music: (if not 1 rasterline player) $0900-$1fff

Rest of the memory all grabbed by Bob.

Now look again at spindle that offloads several tasks to the c64 and by that also grows in size. Also the pack ratio of the included packer is not that overwhelming, this could mean even less parts per diskside. I really had my reasons for squeezing all into such a tight space with bitfire.
Things are fast though with spindle, no doubt, but what a demo has never enough of is loaderspeed _and_ mem. Furthermore people are forced to stick to the linking scheme given by spindle. It was already hard enough to give people enough possibilities to build the demo on their own, with 4 different supported assemblers, a Makefile and alternative autogenerated scripts to enable builds on linux, macos and windows for less skilled people.

And here, the sabotage hasn't even started, with parts that work fine standalone, but break when linked as they accidently destroy registers or the stack due to mistakes in the irq routines. Nothing where a framework can lighten your burden. I am willing to share the gained knowledge, but believe me, it is not explained with a simple hint to some trackmo system. We talk about a project here that had a repository with ~2800 commits in the end, 650Mb of data in there (okay, some checked in heavy tools, me included, haha)

Most of all, it is also about proper planning, and urging people to finish things in a certain order to bring linking forward and there need to be a subset of certain design rules put up beforehand, like the reserved memory areas.

Feel free to open a separate thread for all that :-)

2014-10-30 15:06

Knut Clausen

Registered: Apr 2013
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@Axis @Bitbreaker - As you know, I had hoped for two separate releases by Censor and Oxyron. You make valid points that I haven't considered. GRG never complains about the linking of our demos, but it must be a terrible job. Thanks for enlightening me on this.

And nice meeting you guys at X btw. :)

2014-10-30 16:00

Shadow
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This might be off-topic, but I think the discussion regarding trackmo-linking is a very interesting one.
To me it feels like this is perhaps one of the hardest parts when making a demo nowadays. I've only attempted it once, and it was a total nightmare, super boring work compared to writing effects.
As someone said, there is no "glory" in doing the work, but the general demoviewer expects that smooth, seamless ride with perfect transitions all the way.

I must confess, as a watcher of demos I also prefer smoothly linked trackmos, but as a coder, I would want the press-space trend to start again! :)

2014-10-30 16:24

Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
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Am I the only one who finds linking easy if done right? Sure, you have to adhere to some restrictions and a common format, but as long as you do that it's really not much - or hard - work to link a basic trackmo. Doing advanced stuff is trickier, but it's still often possible to generalize.

I find having a common framework (and assembler) helps a lot. Every coder involved in the demo should ideally be able to link everything together just by typing "make", as well as run individual parts in standalone mode. I think Lft's approach in Spindle is sound, but IME the same things can be achieved without imposing as many architectural decisions on the coders.

Manually linking together parts coded in a hodgepodge of different assemblers and with different memory usage conventions, buggy adherence to linking rules et cetera is however a nightmare, and whoever does that is both a hero and insane. :-) You save a lot of time by constantly integrating with the rest of the team instead of working independently.

2014-10-30 16:37

Shadow
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In my trackmo I had coded all the parts myself, and I thought *that* was hard enough! :D

The actual linking is only part of the problem though, you need to have written all the parts with trackmo in mind from the beginning (ie. all tables/speedcode generated runtime to keep size and loadtime down etc.)

2014-10-30 16:39

Radiant

Registered: Sep 2004
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(I'm probably a bit weird though, since I enjoy this kind of architectural work more than I do boring effect coding. :-P)

2014-10-30 19:10

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
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hah, im with radiantx here, linking (in demomaking sense) too me sounds like the most fun and therefore easy job, but then again, takes shitloads of time (like everything else on 64;)

2014-10-30 21:54

Mirage

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 113

"Rest of the memory all grabbed by Bob."

That one will never grow old - Bless you, Bob :)

2014-10-30 21:58

Mirage

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 113

"(okay, some checked in heavy tools, me included, haha)"

a 70mb ascii penis, yes! Bless you too, penis, sorry, bitbreaker!

2014-10-30 22:26

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3050

Mirage, sorry to interrupt, why did you join BD?

2014-10-30 22:45

Yazoo

Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227

i guess - because he can

2014-10-30 23:43

jailbird

Registered: Dec 2001
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CREAMD ADMINISTRATOR HUMANOID! STOP QUESTIONING THE ACTIONS OF MIRAGE THE BESTEST ARTIST HUMANOID WE OWN. HE IS UP TO A VERY IMPORTANT MISSION WHICH YOUR SQUASHY AND WEAK HUMAN BRAIN WOULD NEVER UNDERSTAND. NOW GO BACK AND CONTINUE TO PERFORM YOUR USUAL ADMINISTATOR ACTIVITIES. REMEMBER: AS ALWAYS, POOR PERFORMANCE WILL BE SEVERELY PUNISHED!

ЯOBOBIRD SIGNING OFF. *BZZZZAP*

2014-10-31 00:11

Scarzix

Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 143

Is there a wizard school for this black art called linking? I would love to get in touch. Being a systemdeveloper IRL, I dont find common standards a big problem, but considering those effects people keeps pulling off and multiple people working on multiple standards - I see a lot of problems ahead.

How the h... do you figure out? ;-) I wanna enroll in that wizard school someday.

2014-10-31 02:54

null
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It's 2014, why are people making such a fucking big deal out of someone joining a different group?

2014-10-31 05:42

Queen bittin
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Dane of Booze Design released his X'2014 set: https://soundcloud.com/danebd/x-140616 splendid SID set :]

listning atm, when heading to Gothenburg to help the Mozilla dudes at FScons'14

2014-10-31 08:20

booker

Registered: Jul 2003
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Quoting Ⓟrincɘss Ⓚnoɘki☆