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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
Release id #203390 : Unity
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Submitted by Ze Smasher on 25 April 2021
great demo! I love the triple fisting part and the one with the big logo swing with that strange color fx (is it by you, Doc?).
I have a question tho (a simple straight question without malignity and bad feelings which I hope won't offend anyone): if you are the organizers of a party should your demo compete against other entries or be set out of the compo?
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Submitted by anonym on 25 April 2021
Appreciate the question. Something like this has happened at other parties many many times before, it took less than a minute to find several other examples here on CSDb.
For us, there were a number of reasons this happened, mostly because the timing worked out. For a new event, there are many risks involved. One of the biggest risks is a lack of release for the competitions. One way to address this is to have your own entry.
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
Thanks for the answer mighty Anonym, my good friend. I moved the discussion to the forum here; I'm interested to read what others think about this.
You sure have all the reasons to enter the compo with that (stunning!) demo. and shame on us (F4CG) we didn't even contribute with anything! so you probably have all the points while I should just shut up.
However your demo also won the compo. It won because it was superior than the other entries and deserved to win, zero doubts.
But... in this case you are the prize giver and the prize taker. so I'm asking that again: even if it already happened many times in the past, even if the prize was a simple sheet of paper saying "you won!", is this practice right and "honorable"? |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 247 |
Ultimately this is really up to the people organizing the party. Also, it enriches the party - You see where I stand ;-) and no hard feeling either Ze Smasher.
Maybe it should be a separate discussion though, not tied to this release. Moderators?
Here are some examples of similar happenings at other events in no particular order, just picking some parties from the top of my head and only checked the demo compos:
Convention 1996 -> Padua 2nd
Mekka & Symposium 2001 -> Padua 2nd, 6th (two demos!)
Datastorm 2012 -> GP 3rd place
Alvesta Party November 1988 -> Horizon 1st place
Horizon & Equinoxe 1989 -> Horizon 1st place
Horizon Easterparty 1990 -> Horizon release their demo outside the compo if records on csdb are correct.
tUM 2004 -> Smash designs 1st
Mekka & Symposium 1998 -> Smash Designs 1st
Mekka & Symposium 1997 -> Smash Designs 1st
Wired 1997 -> Smash Designs 1st
Gubbdata 2020 -> GP 1st place
Gubbdata 2019 -> GP 2nd place (and 5th in a coop)
Gubbdata 2018 -> GP 2nd place (and 3rd in a coop)
Gubbdata 2016 -> GP first place (and 10th)
Gubbdata 2015 -> GP coop (including F4CG!) 5th
Floppy 2001 -> Triad 1st
Floppy 2002 -> Triad 3rd
Floppy 2003 -> Triad 5th
Floppy 2004 -> Triad 5th
Floppy 2005 -> Triad 1st
Forever C | The Dirty Dozen -> DMAgic 2nd
North Party V8.0 -> Tropyx 2nd
X'2000 -> Xenon 1st
Zoo 1997 -> Damage 2nd
Zoo 1998 -> Damage 2nd (still not released today :( )
Zoo 2015 -> Extend 1st
Zoo 2019 -> Artline Designs 1st, Extend 2nd
I think those are enough examples that this isn't the first time. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
Quote:Maybe it should be a separate discussion though, not tied to this release. Moderators?
yes, please mods rename the topic and unlink it from the release if doable. mine was a general question, not for this particular case. thanks. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11130 |
It's also a tradition that drama emerges when organizers win the compo of their party :)
What's the problem again? :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2850 |
As long as there is public voting and not a jury deciding, there is no question of credibility, is there? :) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4602 |
Organizing Gubbdata and all; what to do as an orga then? Voting at Gubbdata has always being transparent, and counting and results summed up by Triad or LFT, so noone could call me or GP cheaters. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2850 |
And as for juries:
X'2000 -> Xenon 1st
Hard to find out these days when X started to have a jury and when they decided to abandon that practice, but i'm glad they did eventually. =) |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 247 |
Quote: Organizing Gubbdata and all; what to do as an orga then? Voting at Gubbdata has always being transparent, and counting and results summed up by Triad or LFT, so noone could call me or GP cheaters.
That's a great practice <3 it. I want to be clear, I wasn't accusing you at all, just one of the first parties that came to mind that had (great) releases by a group of one of the organizers. I don't mind this practice at all, especially when it is handled so well. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
topic is not about cheating or else. Public/transparent voting is a fantastic thing. and no drama at all here.
I was just wondering if adding a rule like "organizers can compete but not win the compo" or "organizers can have entries but not compete in the compo" could make sense. |
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Boogaloo
Registered: Aug 2019
Posts: 21 |
Quote: topic is not about cheating or else. Public/transparent voting is a fantastic thing. and no drama at all here.
I was just wondering if adding a rule like "organizers can compete but not win the compo" or "organizers can have entries but not compete in the compo" could make sense.
Why would that make sense? I don't understand. |
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