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Fredrik
Registered: Apr 2009
Posts: 204 |
Vice or CCS64
Witch of them two programs do you use, if you want to play demos on you pc?
I have tried them both and the sound is more accurate in Vice than in CCS64.
Do you think the same?
Do Vice have another "sidgenerator" that the CCS64?
(And of couse, the real 64 is the best way to look at demos)
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote:but still the interface to change bytes/codes is less userfriendly than AR
True dat.
To be honest, that's the only thing I really miss in ViceMon. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
add the more userfriendly command parser of AR too. fex. VICE wont let you type stuff like "T100020003000"... I bloody hate I cant write that. AR was so clever, spared you any unnecessary typing. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote: add the more userfriendly command parser of AR too. fex. VICE wont let you type stuff like "T100020003000"... I bloody hate I cant write that. AR was so clever, spared you any unnecessary typing.
Yep.
And it's case/space sensitive too: for instance, D1000 and d1000 won't work. Only d 1000 works.
Very irritating.
But besides those tiny annoyances, ViceMon is still a very powerful tool. |
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LOGAN
Account closed
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 71 |
About the monitor in Vice... I find it a bit sluggish while typing, as if the editor is a bit slow. I often type d 1000 1020 while it needs d $1000 $1020 and also I miss the feature that I used to have on my c64 cart where I just could use cursor up/down to continue scrolling through the source beyond the range I initially typed. But especially combined with the sluggish text response makes 'wandering' through the memory a bit more hassle than it used to be.
But thats when I'm coding, and normal demo watching Vice will do in 99% of the cases. |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 490 |
@LOGAN: Which version are you talking about? I don't remember any Vice version which require "$" as a prefix. Using "$" is optional.
d 1000 1020
d $1000 $1020
both behaves the same. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
Quote: Yep.
And it's case/space sensitive too: for instance, D1000 and d1000 won't work. Only d 1000 works.
Very irritating.
But besides those tiny annoyances, ViceMon is still a very powerful tool.
those "tiny" annoyances keeps me having an AR .crt attached. the extra features doesnt balance it for me. breakpoints were buggy the last time I checked, and whats with the cursor sometimes disappearing? or the > 1000 40.. or is it > 40 1000 ? annoying syntax. much better on AR listing the mem freely wandering with the cursor and changing values, and we havent talked yet about changing the code. everything is very unfriendly and frustrating about vicemon for me. |
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Kickback
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 97 |
Quote: those "tiny" annoyances keeps me having an AR .crt attached. the extra features doesnt balance it for me. breakpoints were buggy the last time I checked, and whats with the cursor sometimes disappearing? or the > 1000 40.. or is it > 40 1000 ? annoying syntax. much better on AR listing the mem freely wandering with the cursor and changing values, and we havent talked yet about changing the code. everything is very unfriendly and frustrating about vicemon for me.
Ah see this is the main reason I could never use VICE completely also. If your use to doing something for some many years a certain way and then to change, but the change is more annoying then actually speeding up things, I don't call that a positive change.
Coding alone is annoying, especially if your running into issues. And having a monitor that is annoying on top of that is just a road to snapping.
I wouldn't say the monitor is complete trash, its just not as free as I would/like it to be. That was the major turn off for me with Vice.
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1989 |
Quote: Ah see this is the main reason I could never use VICE completely also. If your use to doing something for some many years a certain way and then to change, but the change is more annoying then actually speeding up things, I don't call that a positive change.
Coding alone is annoying, especially if your running into issues. And having a monitor that is annoying on top of that is just a road to snapping.
I wouldn't say the monitor is complete trash, its just not as free as I would/like it to be. That was the major turn off for me with Vice.
I found a memory-rule for that >-command. :D It's like BASIC's POKE. :) I.e. address first then value. |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1055 |
It's the same format as the output from the m command:
(C:$04a0) m 0400 0427
>C:0400 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
>C:0410 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
>C:0420 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
(C:$0428) >C:0400 01 02 03
(C:$0428) m 0400 0427
>C:0400 01 02 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
>C:0410 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
>C:0420 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
(C:$0428)
C: is of course optional (8: for drive 8, etc).
Seriously, isn't it somewhat unrealistic to expect a full screen editor in a modern GUI application? If you absogoddamnlutely can't re-learn to use a simple commandline, just attach the AR6 monitor.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
seriously isnt it horrible to have a commandline interface in a modern gui application, when it was done much better decades earlier on a ten-thousand slower machine? would you like to edit text using a commandline interface? why coders should do that with memory then ? and the thing is not that I cant learn it, the thing is it is inefficient/frustrating/nonfriendly. You cant be serious it's easier to list memory then check for what adress you want to change, then enter > adress value valu value oh dont forget to put in carfully the spaces too! than to list memory move cursor over and change values.
and if it's the same as the memory listing, how hard it would be to let the cursor freely wander around, and parse the line where enter was pressed ? (just like AR does) |
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