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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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Event id #2757 : Intro Creation Competition 2018
Preface: Please use this thread for questions, discussion and everything else concerning this competition.
After ChristopherJam had the chance to run a similar compo last year, this year I am back with the known ruleset, with only slight change.
Runnning the competition after X party turned out to be a great timeframe, so I stay there.
Competition runs from November 5th, 2018, until January 6th, 2019. So you have a full 2 months to deliver your creations. This should be enough for an intro.
THE RULES:
Your intro...
- has to work on a plain stock C64 (PAL standard) without any extensions.
- has to be a one-part intro. Short fade-ins and fade-outs are OK.
- has to contain at least one Logo at whatever size you like.
- has to contain a changing or moving text message (e.g. scrolling text, different lines fading in & out, etc.)
- has to contain music (not just a humming sound, please).
- has a maximum RAM footprint of $4000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors. This means RAM besides chosen $4000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you.
- has to be interruptable any time by pressing SPACE-key (exception are short fade-in and fade-out).
- does not need to have exclusive graphics, charsets or music. But the code should be exclusive, so reuse of existing code with just exchanged graphics and music is not allowed.
- has not been publicly used before entering the competition.
- has to be handed in as executable format startable with RUN (.prg or embedded in .t64 or .d64).
Maximum 3 entries per participant. Entries might be taken back from the compo until deadline. That means if you want to remove one of your works from the compo to make space for another entry from you, this can be done until deadline.
Deadline for entry submission is Sunday January 6th, 2019 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
Voting closes at Sunday January 13th, 2019 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET.
Voting platform is CSDb (with all disadvantages it may have), therefore entries have to be posted here.
Entries will be ranked by weighted average of CSDb votes. Entries with the same weighted average are ranked by their percentages of 10s, 9s, etc.
No prices to win, just the fame. May the best creation win! |
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 211 |
Hmmm...
Didn't do anything at X'2018 except for partying, playing games and drinking so...
I think I'll give it a shot! :) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Nice! And the $4000 block rule is back. \o/
Didn't compete last time since there were new rules that didn't fit what I was working on. But I will try to finish it now. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
great one Didi!!! gimme 2-3 days of C64-detox after X, then I'll start doing something for the compo! :) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Yay! I'm in. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quoting Didi- has to work on a plain stock C64 (PAL standard) without any extensions. Does that rule out using the disk drive for co-processing? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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OMG, yasssss! <3 |
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Golara
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Can the logo be made out of sprites for each character moving around ? I guess that's not much of a logo, but it displays the group name... |
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Didi
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Sure you can use sprites for the logo and move the letters individually, as long as you can read the name. That has tradition. |
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T.M.R
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Woohoo! Now I just need to come up with some ideas for an intro. =-) |
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Golara
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another question.
You say any continuous $4000 memory is ok
but if we need the basic upstart then we're limited to the memory around $801 right ? or can you put the basic line somewhere else ? I tried didn't work. I started coding my intro with 4000-7fff in mind. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
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You can (and have to) obviously crunch memory 4000-7fff, the memory usage after decrunch is what matters. The crunched prg is at $0801 because it has to be RUNed normally. |
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Golara
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Quote: You can (and have to) obviously crunch memory 4000-7fff, the memory usage after decrunch is what matters. The crunched prg is at $0801 because it has to be RUNed normally.
But say my intro is exactly 16kb from $4000 to $7fff and I crunch it to 4kb from $801 to $1801. Doesn't that break the rule of having all ram besides the chosen $4000 bytes be untouched ? |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
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Golara:
No doesnt matter.
Should be in one 16kb block while the intro is running.
so if you keep the intro between $4000 - $7fff then it is okay.
But then dont use screen ram $0400-$07ff. |
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Golara
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gotcha. Thanks |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
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Excellent news! Looking forward to this :)
Thanks Didi for your blessing to run last year's compo, and thanks for taking up the reins again this year. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
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Just checking my understanding of the memory restriction:
I gather *post decrunch* anything you touch anything outside
- $0000-$01ff
- your chosen 16k block
- $fffc-$ffff
- the IO area (VIC, SID, CIA 1&2, colour RAM)
must be be restored upon exit.
Is that correct? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quoting ChristopherJam- $fffc-$ffff
Plus $fffa/b, i hope? :) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quoting ChristopherJam[...]must be be restored upon exit. As I understood it from earlier years, you couldn't touch anything outside these areas, regardless of whether it was restored. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
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From the rules:
Quote:RAM besides chosen $4000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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That's the new part of the rules. You may use RAM outside the chosen $4000 but you have to restore it to its previous content on exit. I mean really restore it, so e.g. clearing the normal screen RAM at $0400-$07ff does not mean "restore". ;)
I took that inspiration from the discussion thread of ICC 2016, hoping it opens new possibilities for some people. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
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Oh, so having sparse memory layouts for certain VIC effects is legal? As in, e.g., a few bytes at every $0400 bytes block boundary throughout the entire address range? Cool as long as they're restored to their original contents after intro? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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Yep. It's an experiment. Let's see what comes along.
That's why I called it "has a maximum RAM footprint of $4000 bytes at one block" this time. |
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Golara
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Isn't most of the memory just zeros or some pattern alternating 00 ff ? If i can generate lots of speedcode to some upper memory and the zero it out or fill it with the default memory pattern it would be perhaps too easy ?
I'm trying to make my intro only use $4000 - $7fff, maybe i'll use more if others do to. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quoting DidiThat's why I called it "has a maximum RAM footprint of $4000 bytes at one block" this time. That's not exactly unambiguous. So, in other words, "Payload is $xxxx* bytes in one contiguous chunk of memory before running the intro and is expected to be the same after running the intro, but may be changed at will while running the intro."?
* $xxxx would be something slightly smaller than $c000, maybe $bdfa = $c000 - $0200 - 6, so 64k minus intro minus zeropage minus stack minus vectors? |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
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Quoting GolaraIsn't most of the memory just zeros or some pattern alternating 00 ff ? If i can generate lots of speedcode to some upper memory and the zero it out or fill it with the default memory pattern it would be perhaps too easy?
It's an intro competition, so my understanding is that we are to imagine that most of memory is filled with a compressed copy of the game it is introducing.
Hence, we can copy it to somewhere within our 16k block for later copying back, but even assuming it to be compressible would be on very shaky ground, never mind assuming it contains a specific pattern. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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The idea was that you may copy memory around. Data with random pattern may be around the chosen 16k block and has to be there equally after your intro has ended. An Intro "introduces" something so the "something" you introduce has to be there, unchanged, after your intro has ended.
I hope this is clear enough. It seems ChristopherJam already got it right. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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perhaps provide a packed binary that needs to be linked? just a crazy idea! |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Nah, let someone find a cornercase that's gonna keep him from coding a cool intro. |
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Golara
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Quote: perhaps provide a packed binary that needs to be linked? just a crazy idea!
I guess the best way to verify if the intro does in fact restore all memory beyond the chosen $4000 bytes is to fill the memory with some stuff, save a snapshot, run the intro, save snapshot again and compare the two. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
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Quote: I guess the best way to verify if the intro does in fact restore all memory beyond the chosen $4000 bytes is to fill the memory with some stuff, save a snapshot, run the intro, save snapshot again and compare the two.
Or just use a tool that compares memory before and after, regardless what the content is.
Jesus Christ, we all get the point of a 4k intro, we're not writing a legal document here. |
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Golara
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Quote: Or just use a tool that compares memory before and after, regardless what the content is.
Jesus Christ, we all get the point of a 4k intro, we're not writing a legal document here.
If you don't preload the memory with something before you run the intro the memory is all zero or alternating 00 ff so someone could cheat with just filling the whole memory with the same pattern, hence my proposition of comparing 2 snapshot (with a tool, not manually of course). |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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What Mace said. Don't be ridiculous, guys. Every goddamn edition the same shitty discussion ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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hence just provide a (packed) binary of some game you have to link - it makes all other rules pointless :) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
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Oh, and where I said 4k, I meant 16k. I was getting too emotional... |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
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I think Didi's got this, guys :P |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
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Quoting JammerWhat Mace said. Don't be ridiculous, guys. Every goddamn edition the same shitty discussion ;)
With very little overlap between people involved in the discussion and people delivering the goods for the compo. Strange, isn't it? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
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Quoting PerplexWith very little overlap between people involved in the discussion and people delivering the goods for the compo. Strange, isn't it?
Yup, a bit! ;) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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Discussing is easier than producing real content. :p |
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Pitcher
Registered: Aug 2006
Posts: 61 |
Have a little something that was mostly written a while ago, perfect excuse to finish it off 😉 |
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Golara
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I didn't mean to nitpick or whatever you think, I just wanted to make sure I understand the rules as I never done an intro like this. You can be sure to see an entry from me. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
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"has not been publicly used before entering the competition"
I assume we can't create an intro, enter it and then use it the next day (before the compo finishes)..? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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You can create intro entry and post the release where it is used on right afterwards, as long as the intro comes first and the intro was not already used on an earlier release. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
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Just to clarify: if despite my 16K block I only used VIC, SID, ZP I may just jump to FCE2 at spacebar exit without more cleanup? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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Yes... but it will look ugly exiting without even screenblank. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
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Quote: Yes... but it will look ugly exiting without even screenblank.
Ok. Inserted 0 >> D011 beforehand. If it's okay with the rules that's good enough for me - have to fill RAM with stupid scrolltext now ;-) |
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0xDB
Registered: Aug 2015
Posts: 27 |
Yay, I started working on a little thing for this. :D |
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0xDB
Registered: Aug 2015
Posts: 27 |
So... been coding like mad and should be finished with the intro soon. Do I submit it via the "Add Information" section or do I have to send it by e-mail? |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
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Userpage -> Add release |
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0xDB
Registered: Aug 2015
Posts: 27 |
Thanks! Aaaand it's up! :D |
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e5frog
Registered: Nov 2010
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I wonder about
"- does not need to have exclusive graphics, charsets or music. But the code should be exclusive, so reuse of existing code with just exchanged graphics and music is not allowed."
"...reuse of existing code... not allowed."
Hmm, how will it be possible to write anything at all? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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Nitpicker. ;) I guess you know what it means: Don't take an old intro, exchange music and/or graphics and throw it into the compo. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quoting e5frogHmm, how will it be possible to write anything at all? Write new code. But yeah, reusing some routines is ok I guess, as long as the result doesn't look too much like the same. I got away with using pretty much the same multiplexor in Snolder & Garn, Tis the Season and Transcom Intro 08 Remake. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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When adding your intro to the compo, please choose "C64 Intro (not crack intro)" as release type. The choice "C64 Crack Intro" is for Intros that actually have been used as crack intros. When and if your "C64 Intro (not crack intro)" has been used in a crack, you can change the release type to "C64 Crack Intro".
I have already corrected the release types for the intros in the compo accordingly. Took a while.
Thanx. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
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Quoting Didi (on the front page)Deadline is ... just 2,5 weeks ahead!
Aaaargh!
cjam runs around in circles with his hair on fire
cjam gets back to work |
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T.M.R
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I've been using a copyright symbol as a Cosine logo for a couple of decades now, so that counts as per the ICC rules, right...? |
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Didi
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I would count this as known logo for Cosine. |
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T.M.R
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Quoting DidiI would count this as known logo for Cosine.
Sorted. Just got to tidy things up a little and write the feckin' scrolltext. =-) |
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Golara
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My GTA intro is under "released outside the compo" even though it fits all the rules. Can someone fix please ? :) |
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iAN CooG
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Quote: My GTA intro is under "released outside the compo" even though it fits all the rules. Can someone fix please ? :)
Golara: push Update button; change Compo field from (Outside Compo) to C64 Demo; Save changes. |
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Mr.Ammo
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Quoting GolaraMy GTA intro is under "released outside the compo" even though it fits all the rules. Can someone fix please ? :)
Probably because of this?
Quoting GolaraI added a download to the version with exit on space. Nothing else changed.
With the current release you have two downloads for one release of which the first download does not comply with the compo rules.
Perhaps create a new release for the new version and have that enter the compo? |
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Golara
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Quote: Quoting GolaraMy GTA intro is under "released outside the compo" even though it fits all the rules. Can someone fix please ? :)
Probably because of this?
Quoting GolaraI added a download to the version with exit on space. Nothing else changed.
With the current release you have two downloads for one release of which the first download does not comply with the compo rules.
Perhaps create a new release for the new version and have that enter the compo?
Well, my first intro for this compo also had a problem that was fixed with additional file download (it shows how sloppy I am with releases, very sorry...) And it's still as released at the compo. Should I make another entry for that one too ? I understand the moderators desire to archive every version of some demo or a crack, but I think requiring another release for a really minor fix like this (and it's not like, oh this is a party version, the fixed one comes out 2 weeks later, but the second upload is published few minutes after the first). I'll obey the rules though, I'd just like some yes or no to this question. Should I make another release for these intros ?
EDIT: Didn't notice Ians post. Entry has been updated. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
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Technically every new release should have its own entry.
For a minor bug, if fixed few minutes after the upload, I can close both eyes. But if the fix is made and added the day after, for me is a new release, because it's actually made the day after. So yeah, leave the 1st release without space sense in the entry, put it outside compo, and make a new entry dated 27/11 for the fix, which can be set as competing. |
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Golara
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Quote: Technically every new release should have its own entry.
For a minor bug, if fixed few minutes after the upload, I can close both eyes. But if the fix is made and added the day after, for me is a new release, because it's actually made the day after. So yeah, leave the 1st release without space sense in the entry, put it outside compo, and make a new entry dated 27/11 for the fix, which can be set as competing.
Fair enough. I guess it could be avoided if I moved my ass out of the bed and compiled the prg again (I was reading the csdb entry from my bed) Oh well :P |
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Maxlide
Registered: Apr 2003
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@Didi: do you differ between zeropage and extended zeropage ? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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For me zeropage is address area $0000-$00ff. Extended zeropage counts as used RAM. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
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What kind of gobbledygook is extended zeropage? |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
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Quote: What kind of gobbledygook is extended zeropage?
Just a crap naming convention used by some references when talking about the KERNEL variable space, like: http://unusedino.de/ec64/technical/aay/c64/zpmain.htm |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
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Hmm, i use to refer to that as LOWMEM, which would be anything above zeropage but within hardware stack ($0100..$01ff) and below screen RAM ($0200..$03ff).
Thought i've seen that in some reference documents as well, but not sure now. :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i have seen it often in books and articles. 64er used that term a lot.
hey, it makes more sense than IFFL afterall :) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
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Question about the rules:
If the decruncher I use installs itself in the stack, can the demo rely on it being still being present there when it starts up?
(I may need to decrunch a bit more after doing SID detection and deciding which digi table to discard). |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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No. You cannot rely on leftover code or addresses from the decruncher. Assume a normal reset being done before running your intro. So everything your intro needs to run should be part of it.
I remember an intro from a previous compo which changed parts of itself after initialization. I presume it was also done by depacking. It was one from Cruzer if I remember correctly. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
OK, so we're just to assume the 16k block has been loaded and SYSed into.
I remember I got into trouble with my first submission of Scharf for ICC 2016 by using the decruncher to initialize color memory. I'll learn my lesson one of these days :) |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
Does someone have a PRESS SPACE code handy (without using Kernal's $ffe4)? |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Quoting DiggerDoes someone have a PRESS SPACE code handy (without using Kernal's $ffe4)?
I have this in an irq:
lda #%01111111
sta $dc00
lda $dc01
and #%00010000
bne !+
inc exit
!:
And this as exit routine in the code outside irq:
!:
.label exit = * + 1
lda #$00
beq !-
sei
lda #$37
sta $01
jmp 64738
Pretty crummy, but it does the job for me ;) |
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Zirias
Registered: Jan 2014
Posts: 48 |
Well, this will detect J#1 fire as well, just like the original kernal code... but apart from that, what's "crummy"? Just straight-forward code I'd say. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
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please also exit with
sei
lda #$37
sta $01
lda #0
sta $d011
sta $d020
jmp $fce2
it's ugly to see leftovers of the screen =) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
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Proper looking exit is optional but appreciated if you have the few bytes left. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
If you’re too low on memory to do a proper music fade, writing a zero to $d418 wouldn’t go astray either. |
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 211 |
Entry, finally, uploaded and awaiting validation. Woohoo! \o/ |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268 |
Feels good, doesn't it!? :) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Sorry, didn't make it for the compo... life got in the way :) |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
@Didi: Any chance for moving the deadline by few days? ^_^
I am 90% there but need more than 4hrs in the evening.
I am sure others would support this view too :) Plizzzzzz 🙏🏻 :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: @Didi: Any chance for moving the deadline by few days? ^_^
I am 90% there but need more than 4hrs in the evening.
I am sure others would support this view too :) Plizzzzzz 🙏🏻 :)
next time start in time. the rules should be same for everyone. |
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Scan
Registered: Dec 2015
Posts: 111 |
Quote: @Didi: Any chance for moving the deadline by few days? ^_^
I am 90% there but need more than 4hrs in the evening.
I am sure others would support this view too :) Plizzzzzz 🙏🏻 :)
I've got enough intros to watch to properly vote for, so either hurry your socks off or forfeit. ;) :P |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Quote: next time start in time. the rules should be same for everyone.
+1 |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 688 |
I haven’t started my entry yet... can we extend the deadline by a couple of weeks? To make it fair, we just cancel all the entries so far so that everyone’s working to the same two weeks as me ;-) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3204 |
lazy coders can enter next compo. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268 |
or finish their stuff and submit it for BCC#13 ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391 |
or procrastinate further! |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
I love your support guys ;) Thanks! |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
I have unfinished stuff as well, I'll just hope there's a ICC next year, which gives me a year to finish that stuff :)
Though I'll probably either forget about that, or delete it by accident. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Yes, I started two other parts for this year's compo. Best get cracking if I'm going to have them finished by next year :) |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 43 |
Quote: OK, so we're just to assume the 16k block has been loaded and SYSed into.
I remember I got into trouble with my first submission of Scharf for ICC 2016 by using the decruncher to initialize color memory. I'll learn my lesson one of these days :)
I just did exactly that too, but simply moved everything (including exodecrunch) to $4000-$7fff first, just to be sure. I'm being told it was unnecessary, but it seemed like the appropriate thing to do.
If it was OK to initialize excepted areas (colorram, SID, VIC, zeropage, stack..) outside the 16k area -- how would that make sense? Then it would be a "16k + about 1k + unlimited amount of initializer code" -intro. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Ah, by Wodan,
My entry uses $0800-$46a4, but it calls $ff5b in the init code, meaning it wipes $0400+.
I refuse to release a 1.2 version that doesn't do that. Invalidate my entry if that standard init code violates the rules (I also use $fda3 and $fd15). |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Come on, Digger, you can do it! Two more hours to go! |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
@Compyx: Unconvenient initialization. But the intro works properly without the JSR $FF5B and does not use the area $0400+ afterwards. I will ignore this flaw and run it at $0859 instead. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Thanks. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2268 |
one more suggestion for the desperate from the good old party release times: up it in whatever state it is at 23:59:59 and make TITLE$=TITLE$+INT(99*RND(1))+1+"%" ;) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
But that leaves a little over 1% chance that the title will end in "100%". Edit: No it doesn't. I'm not good with numbers. :) |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
1 hour left! bets are open!! will Digger make it? :)
(hey pssst, Digger.. I collect all the money, then we share 50-50, ok?) |
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Rudi
Registered: May 2010
Posts: 126 |
Is deadline gone..? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Yep. Deadline for new entries is over.
Because I just checked all entries now, I notified the ones with invalid memory layout and gave them until midnight today to fix. |
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DjS
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 48 |
I voted for them all, amazing work everyone! And thanks Didi for organizing this.
Moar, moar moar! |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
Thumbs up for not extending the deadline. Extending deadlines in the final hours is a slap in the face of everybody who managed to make it in time, especially when you already have an amazing turnout of both quantity AND quality in the competition. Great work everybody. |
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Golara
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2018
Posts: 212 |
After the compo and all the entries having their place set will there be a disk with all the entries and some selector ? (Demo of the year style). I volunteer for helping out with such disk. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
I planned to do a collection like in the previous years. The selector is the same and turned out to be simple but convenient.
You can help with an intro for it. Seems not to be a size limit this time because from the amount of entries it will be 3 disksides this time (2016 I managed to squeeze them onto 2 sides with 0 blocks free each. Will not work this time with 10 entries more). There will also be a d81 image without diskchange. |
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Golara
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2018
Posts: 212 |
Quote: I planned to do a collection like in the previous years. The selector is the same and turned out to be simple but convenient.
You can help with an intro for it. Seems not to be a size limit this time because from the amount of entries it will be 3 disksides this time (2016 I managed to squeeze them onto 2 sides with 0 blocks free each. Will not work this time with 10 entries more). There will also be a d81 image without diskchange.
Some of the entries are not exomized. Would you pack them ? |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 688 |
Quote:Deadline for new entries is over.
Quote:I notified the ones with invalid memory layout and gave them until midnight today to fix.
This seems counter-intuitive to me... rules should be rules with no exceptions IMO... if they're not, they're open to abuse and favouritism. Teams should QA their own releases, it shouldn't be up to the community to let entrants know that they've failed a criteria before the deadline.
I say this without knowing whether one of the G*P entries failed on the memory restriction or not.
There might be an entrant out there that didn't submit on time, but was minutes away from doing so, because their QA department found that they'd gone a single byte over the restriction ... it's unlikely - but if it happened, it wouldn't seem fair that they didn't enter just because they properly QA'd their intro. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
I already prepared the entries for slideshow while validating them. They will be level-packed with Exomizer and fast-loaded with Fload 2.1 from GRG for good compatibility to a lot of drivetypes.
Check ICC 2016 Results Collection as example. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
@Raistlin: I see it a a flaw from my side not checking validity of the entries earlier. Primarily the producers are responsible to enter compliant entries, but usually I check them timely if they are and report if they are not. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
All 63 entries are validated and now it is up to you to vote for them to get a fair result.
Go! Go! Go!
Voting closes at Sunday January 13th, 2019 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1105 |
Quote:I say this without knowing whether one of the G*P entries failed on the memory restriction or not.
are you saying G*P's QA dept didn't do their job? where's the "Accepted For Release" approval-stamp? ;)))
anyways, I think Didi did the right thing here, especially since the Excess intro was uploaded almost a month ago. I guess it would've been different if the entry was uploaded on the last day of the compo.
that said, what an awesome amount of great entries again this year, well done everybody! |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 214 |
This compo has been an absolute joy to follow. My thanks to Didi for organising it and to all entrants!
Some personal favourites:
GULBData
You Will Be a Fossil Soon
Razorsharp
Raster Plaster
Stomp Intro |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
I hope you will give votes to the others as well. ;) |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 214 |
Sure, I think I voted on most already but may have missed a few, so will check! |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Cool that a contender for first place appeared short before closing. Now there is a really close race. Let's wait and see who wins in the end.
There is already a new record with 100+ votes made for an ICC entry. Being curious how high it will climb. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
amazing compo!!! my personal thank-you to Didi for organizing it and to all participants for their fab works! there are no bad intros, only great intros and excellent intros! oops, I forgot I did something too... correction: there's just one bad intro! :)
now hands up who also thinks Cruzer and Jammer should finish ex-aequo #1! :) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336 |
Quoting ZeSmashernow hands up who also thinks Cruzer and Jammer should finish ex-aequo #1! :)
:D |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Quote: Quoting ZeSmashernow hands up who also thinks Cruzer and Jammer should finish ex-aequo #1! :)
:D
HAHAHA! :D |
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xIII
Registered: Nov 2008
Posts: 210 |
There should be no discussion about what intro is the best in this compo. Intro by Jammer/Joe is the only option.
It has everything an excellent intro needs: super nice logo, amazing scroller, superb sound. I even like the choice of colors :) |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 229 |
XIII: Thank you for the kind words, I'm sure Kamil will be happy (he did most part afterall).
Plenty of nice intros in this competition regardless, which has been incredible nice to see.
I have voted for all and had a great time in reviewing them all. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
;) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Ahahahaha |
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0xDB
Registered: Aug 2015
Posts: 27 |
Re-watched all intros today, all commented, all voted for. Many thanks for the good time to all participants. Happy 2019 everyone! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336 |
Same here! Compo was great! \o/
@Cruzer: LOL! :D |
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Low Spirit
Registered: Jan 2010
Posts: 23 |
this was a great competition.
I am very surprised and extremely pleased that so many (63!!! valid) high-quality contributions have been
submitted.
Due to the fact that one day after the deadline I reached the fifties, it was also a personal challenge for me
to make this big technical step (sideborderstuff).
I am very happy to still be able to learn :)
although I had to fix, but this seems to be a local problem (hello yazoo :D), I'm very satisfied with the result. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
I just made a check through the voting:
- Race is still very close for rank 1.
- Usual amount of self and friendly upvotes.
- Also a few obvious and calculated downvotes, as always.
- The amount of votes per entry varies between 115 and only 22.
Big hooray for all who really voted for all entries!
This compo needs more of you!
Voting is still open until Sunday January 13th, 2019 at 23:59:59 (11:59:59 pm) CET. |
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Angel of Death
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 211 |
Lots and tasty entries this year indeed but, eh...
I just want to point out (as voting is not yet finished) that our intro is one of the few that has some love and attention put into "ending" it.
Can I haz more voties, pleez? ;)
ps.
thanks a lot, however, to the people that did vote already. \o/ |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336 |
GULBdata has 9.6 again, gogogo! \o/ :D |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Finally, I've finished voting on all the entries (I think). So many quality entries!
Thanks Didi for organising. The rest of you, go upvote GULBdata some more ;) |
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Thunder.Bird
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 110 |
With this many releases I thought about my voting quality.
Just watching and writing down a number between 1 and 10 can't be it!
So I thought following would be possible:
First run: watching all entries and voting yes/no -->the no's go into 1 point directory
Second run again yes/no --> the no's go into 2 points directory
until 10th run yes/no --> there are no more no's
Now I got all entries sorted in 1st run no (1 point), second run no (2 points) etc.
Could work it out until I catch all 62 entries (if I count right)
But problem: 2 hours left for voting *panic*
OK, I just vote my groupmates 10 and the rest... ok 7 :D
but I could also use our last years voting machine from BCC#12 - should I?
OK, sorry everyone... I think I couldn't vote at least, because I can't be fair to myself here :(
Nerd problems ;) |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Oh shit! Stomp Intro and GULBdata both at 9.5. Congrats on keeping the suspense, guys! Maybe if I upvote my own entry and downvote Stomp Intro I could just tip it around. No, must resist. :D |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
Quote: Oh shit! Stomp Intro and GULBdata both at 9.5. Congrats on keeping the suspense, guys! Maybe if I upvote my own entry and downvote Stomp Intro I could just tip it around. No, must resist. :D
and I could do the same if you pay me :P |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336 |
HAHAHAHAHA, those strategic 4s! :D It's getting fun like hell! ;) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Whoever voted the 4s on Stomp and GulbData short before end, it did not change much by this amount of votes. :p |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Results compiled and posted. Will post detailed list later (needs a bit formating).
Congratulations to Stomp Intro for winning first place!
It was a really close race with GULBdata with both entries being rated 9.5 but the winner had a slightly higher percentage of voted 10s (76.0% to 67.5%).
Thanks to all participants for making this a really great competition again!
You make the compo - not me!
Also thanks to all the honest voters who made the cowardous downvotes having very few effect on the result. Every entry had at least 32 votes. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Yep, congrats Jammer and Joe! Well deserved. |
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Carrion
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317 |
What a compo.
Thanks to all!
Now pls someone provide a zip file with all releases so I can watch them on real HW. :) TIA |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Results collection is on its way. Will not take long this time... |
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Golara
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2018
Posts: 212 |
Cool compo, congratz to everyone who managed to submit their production. Yeah I wanna the intro compilation on a disk too :D Desire got 12th, 30th, 33th and 34th place. Not that bad I think :P |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
thanks for organizing this @didi... i hope for another ICC at the end of 2019? that would be awesome! :-)
63 entries... wohooo... that's alot. and most of them are worth watching.
good job everybody |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Excellent competition, congratulations all, especially the top three.
On a personal note, while it was a little demoralising watching my entry fall from it's debut at 3rd down to 14th as more votes and entries rolled in, there was plenty of constructive feedback along the way, and I've already started planning for next year.
It was also pretty entertaining seeing the randomly rotated letters in the winning entry, given that one of the three entries I started work on for this year (before realizing I'd only time to finish one) was a snurkle scroll :) |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Here is the detailed results list (from snapshot taken at January 14th 2019, 0:00 CET):
Rank Title CSDb Votes %10 %9
1 Stomp Intro by EXclusive ON 9,5 121 76,0% 11,6%
2 GULBdata by Camelot 9,5 126 67,5% 22,2%
3 Razorsharp by Genesis Project 8,9 89 37,1% 34,8%
4 You Will Be a Fossil Soon by Fossil 8,7 93 35,5% 24,7%
5 Raster Plaster by Resource 8,6 85 34,1% 25,9%
6 Raster-arse by Arsenic 8,2 67 26,9% 20,9%
7 Revolution Intro by Triad 8,1 73 23,3% 24,7%
8 Oozay's Baster Rars by Arsenic 8,1 43 11,6% 18,6%
9 WavyRasta by TempesT 8,0 58 24,1% 13,8%
10 Raster Compleeto by Triad 8,0 63 20,6% 27,0%
11 Raster Rejuvenator by Genesis Project 8,0 72 18,1% 19,4%
12 Do A Boink by Desire 8,0 62 12,9% 19,4%
13 Scatter Raster Intro by Genesis Project 8,0 51 11,8% 25,5%
14 Wir sind die Nacht by ChristopherJam 7,9 65 20,0% 29,2%
15 Rasterblues by Triad 7,9 55 16,4% 23,6%
16 Revisioned by Nah-Kolor 7,9 54 9,3% 22,2%
17 Crack Intro by Cosine 7,9 54 9,3% 18,5%
18 Level One by Cosine 7,9 47 6,4% 21,3%
19 GameTro by Blazon 7,8 61 16,4% 13,1%
20 The Elite Intro Reloaded by Low Spirit 7,8 42 7,1% 26,2%
21 Spacebar by Samar Productions 7,8 52 5,8% 32,7%
22 Rasta Punch by Samar Productions 7,7 48 10,4% 18,8%
23 Logo Letter Glider (Laxity Intro #80) by Laxity 7,7 41 7,3% 7,3%
24 Fuck the borders! by Anarchy 7,7 45 6,7% 13,3%
25 Kwan Lo by Mayday! 7,7 47 6,4% 17,0%
26 Try Not To Get Satisfied by Camelot 7,7 42 2,4% 19,0%
27 Oldest Style by Cosine 7,6 46 8,7% 8,7%
28 HF Intro Mechanix by Hokuto Force 7,6 42 7,1% 14,3%
29 Excess ESI Tribute V2.2 by Excess 7,5 36 8,3% 25,0%
30 GTA Intro by Desire 7,5 40 7,5% 7,5%
31 Africade by Cascade 7,5 50 4,0% 14,0%
32 DYSPotic by Hokuto Force 7,5 40 2,5% 15,0%
33 Waves 16k by Desire 7,4 50 8,0% 14,0%
34 PosteX 2018 by Desire 7,4 50 4,0% 10,0%
35 Atlantis Chessboard Intro V2 by Atlantis 7,4 39 2,6% 7,7%
36 HF+MHI Coop Intro by Didi 7,3 46 4,3% 2,2%
37 Atlantis Intro "Weirdo" (ugly remake) by Atlantis 7,2 35 8,6% 2,9%
38 DLoC Bounce Intro by Dark Lords of Chaos 7,2 37 5,4% 0,0%
39 Excess Intro Eighties Called by Excess 7,2 42 4,8% 2,4%
40 Turned Around (Laxity Intro #84) by Laxity 7,2 36 2,8% 5,6%
41 $4K Dreams by LemonSpawn 7,1 44 9,1% 2,3%
42 Excess Intro Checker Swing by Excess 7,1 34 2,9% 5,9%
43 Old School Intro 2019 by MCM Designs 7,0 35 2,9% 5,7%
44 Break Ya Neck by MCM Designs 7,0 34 2,9% 0,0%
45 Geartro by WiseGuy Industries 2015 7,0 40 2,5% 5,0%
46 Black and White intro by Warriors of the Wasteland 7,0 44 2,3% 2,3%
47 On Fire Intro by Fairlight 6,9 50 6,0% 12,0%
48 Alpha New Year by Alpha Flight 6,9 36 2,8% 2,8%
49 Left Over Music by Mayday! 6,8 47 4,3% 6,4%
50 Uglyuglyugly 1.1 by Focus 6,8 40 2,5% 2,5%
51 Vertical Moving by Hokuto Force 6,8 45 2,2% 4,4%
52 Messy Messi Intro by Fantastic 4 Cracking Group 6,7 41 7,3% 7,3%
53 More Diagonal Stuff by Victory 6,7 36 5,6% 2,8%
54 Happy-Hacky-NoOp-Hack-tro 2018 by NOOP 6,6 38 5,3% 2,6%
55 Plain Intro by Tristar & Red Sector Incorporated 6,5 45 11,1% 2,2%
56 LXT - Flash Bang by The New Dimension 6,4 39 5,1% 0,0%
57 TND Revolution Intro by The New Dimension 6,3 32 3,1% 0,0%
58 Dancing Cubes by Really Proud Lamers 6,0 34 5,9% 0,0%
59 Alpha New Year II by Alpha Flight 5,8 36 0,0% 2,8%
60 Spaghetti Code 1 by Presence 5,7 34 2,9% 0,0%
61 Disco Rasters by Underground Domain Inc. 5,5 45 8,9% 2,2%
62 One-Sprite-Wonder by Raiders of the Lost Empire 5,3 42 4,8% 0,0%
63 Spaghetti Code 2 by Hawk 4,7 38 2,6% 0,0%
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aNdy
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 41 |
Great fun with some amazing entries. Well done to winner. Congrats to all! |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336 |
Thanks for amazing compo! And congrats to all participants! <3 |
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Axis/Oxyron
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
Indeed very good competition. Thanks to Didi and congratz to the winners. |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130 |
No I would like to see "demo of the year" next year instead. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5095 |
Congrats to all, well done indeed! |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Congrats to the whole scene for amassing this amount of creativity and activity. If only Digger had finished his entry we would have had 64 of 'em.
Quoting DwangiI would like to see "demo of the year" next year instead. Me too. Wonder why these never turn out as succesful. |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
Quote: Congrats to the whole scene for amassing this amount of creativity and activity. If only Digger had finished his entry we would have had 64 of 'em.
Quoting DwangiI would like to see "demo of the year" next year instead. Me too. Wonder why these never turn out as succesful.
@Cruzer: I just thought the same! I will finish and release it anyway, Psych858o made a great tune for it. |
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da Blondie
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 6 |
To make it easier to see them all I have made a zip of the entries.
It has four dirs:
orig - the files as they were uploaded (except that zips are extracted) in subdirs according to place
prg - just the prg files in subdirs according to place
flat_prg - just the prg files in a single dir, names prefixed with place
d64 - four d64 images with the prgs named as place
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12H9meRDYzkH9FlkXdjb2NLRRCfNu7.. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
Quote:- has a maximum RAM footprint of $4000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors. This means RAM besides chosen $4000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you.
I did not check in depth, but as far as I have seen nobody made use of the rules extension to use memory outside the $4000 block and restore it later. So I think about removing this rule estension again next time.
I noticed that quite a lot selected the $4000-$8000 area this time. I guess because it is the only bank without restrictions of overlayed ROM or IRQ vector on the ghost byte. ;) |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1336 |
Yup, I decided not to repeat my mistake of using Bank 0 ;) That was a nightmare with samples :P |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5095 |
Quote: Quote:- has a maximum RAM footprint of $4000 bytes at one block, at whatever location you like. Screen RAM counts as used memory. Exclusions are system addresses like VIC (inkl. Color RAM), SID, CIA, Stack, Zero-page, IRQ vectors. This means RAM besides chosen $4000 bytes area and exceptions has to be the same before and after running the intro. What happens during runtime is up to you.
I did not check in depth, but as far as I have seen nobody made use of the rules extension to use memory outside the $4000 block and restore it later. So I think about removing this rule estension again next time.
I noticed that quite a lot selected the $4000-$8000 area this time. I guess because it is the only bank without restrictions of overlayed ROM or IRQ vector on the ghost byte. ;)
I did use mem outside the designated 16k and restore, its a pretty useful rule if you plan to use beginning of all char sets or screens because of some raster effect. made for me possible to use an extra screen outside my bank, and not having to have an even more fucked up memory map. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 488 |
OK, I'll leave it in. |
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Golara
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2018
Posts: 212 |
Quote: OK, I'll leave it in.
It's good to leave. I thought of using it, but didn't do any effects requiring that. FPP would be one. |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
Quote:Oswald: made for me possible to use an extra screen outside my bank
I thought it was illegal?! ;P |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
Finally, my intro for Intro Competition 2018 was released at Moonshine Dragons party together with this release:
The Great Escape 115%
The intro actually uses more than one RAM bank, so it would be disqualified anyway. But here you go!
It features a charmode logo and a hires scroll over a "transparent" layer with custom font that's also available to download (see comments in the release link). |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521 |
great intro Digger! cool idea and very stilish.
but that 23:59... sigh! no real coder release something that early :) |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
@Ze: The time was meant for ICC 2018 deadline ;-P) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Nice work, Digger!
I was about to ask why the scroll jumps four pixels every four frames, then realised it's highres 3 colours (fill/edge/transparent) over a two colour background.. and now I need to think some more :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5095 |
indeed nice puzzle, here is my guess:
-black outlines are bitmap
-font inner color expanded sprites
-checkerboard background must be adjusted so its always see trough if char color is in front |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Yup, looking a bit more closely, every 4x1 cell in that area contains a mix of black outline pixels and a single background colour, where the background is either one of the two greys of the checkerboard or the current fill colour of the characters.
So, X expanded multicolour sprite underlay, with the fill colour plotted into it wherever required. Mode is probably capable of a three colour background or a couple of char colours too :) |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 438 |
@Oswald, @CJ: Thanks for kind words. You've solved the puzzle!
Yeah, the scroll "jumps" every 4px because of x-expanded sprites underlay:
Black outlines are actually drawn on double buffered circular chars – faster to rewrite than bitmap, although I have 4 frames to do that (otherwise the scroll would move too fast).
Buffer for sprite underlay is single and ROL'led by 2px (that gives 4px when x-expanded) and checkerboard colors are swapped – that makes the chessboard static (the area under the tools is flipped too).
It's possible to have an alternate font color (or even rasterbars) but I didn't have time to implement it, perhaps I will release an updated version.
It was fun, but quite tricky to do :) |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409 |
Quoting Digger... and checkerboard colors are swapped – that makes the chessboard static ...
Ooh, clever! |
