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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 42 |
Event id #3287 : Techno Compo 2023
Just kickin' off the discussion here so we can discuss "the right way around". |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4694 |
1 2 3 Techno. James Brown is Dead. Das Boot. Emergency. |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
D'N'B or Techno? That's unclear, coz d'n'b IS NOT TECHNO :) |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 443 |
Prefer bleeps over bloops? Stomp over unz? Boing over dojoing? hum over static? Chip tune genre wars on three oscillators. |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 42 |
@Isildur Yes |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
@deetsay
Yes dnb, or Yes Techno? :D |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1066 |
yes! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11290 |
One thing is clear: if you make a house tune, you are OUT |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1065 |
fhqwhgadshgnsdhjsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
@Groepaz also trance, eurodance, melodic trance and so |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
How about bluegrass? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11290 |
That gives an extra score. |
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Isildur
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 275 |
Bluegrass&techno - only Shogoon can do that ;) |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 213 |
Quote: Bluegrass&techno - only Shogoon can do that ;)
Is that a challenge? :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11290 |
Yes |
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encore
Registered: Aug 2010
Posts: 66 |
Techno - das ist die Musik, die immer "Bum-Bum" macht... |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Quoting IsildurD'N'B or Techno? That's unclear, coz d'n'b IS NOT TECHNO :) Indeed, it's quite a bit of a misnomer.
My understanding is that the 2nd instalment of the "Techno Compo" now focuses on Drum'n'Bass, as opposed to Oldschool Underground Techno in the first one.
That said... C-64 DnB tracks usually suffer from the usual 50 Hz update rate on PAL systems.
Any ruling word on multispeed or arbitrary update rates not tied to video frames? |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1333 |
Multispeed was not an issue during previous edition. And, indeed, single VBL is not the greatest friend of typical DnB speeds. Hence I don't give a single (LOL) fuck and go for 150bpm. At least for one entry ;) |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 509 |
Just wanna say, that back in the day (beginning of the 90s), we used TECHNO as general grouping name for most electronic dance music, and back then many different styles: trance, ambient, electro, IDM, breaks, even jungle fell under that grouping. Later it changed because it grew.
Similar in a sense to how nowadays some people use the (idiotic) EDM moniker to group all styles together, whereas for me EDM is just stupid arena shitty popstuff. |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 42 |
If you read the event announcement page carefully, you can see that it was already mentioned, in a solution-seeking manner, that techno tends to be 4x4, unlike drum'n'bass, silently acknowledging the fact that they are indeed different. Multispeed is also explicitly allowed there, and I guess that covers "arbitrary" updates as well, knock yourself out!
The specific term "drum and bass" was really the only option in order to be able to make the pun about the third channel. Otherwise it might have been "Breakin' SIDs" or "Micro Jungle Rave Step" or "Funky Drummer Says Amen".
Discussion on the definition of genres and what exactly was the style of Juan Atkins in 1984 is of course COMPLETELY ON POINT! I mean, it really goes with the territory doesn't it?
If you need a pure genre reference, then your only option is Breakcore. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1333 |
DnB IS 4/4, just syncopated ;) Unless you make it not 4x4 :D |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 248 |
For whom it may concern: at least for the german language area, there exists a very strict standard to what elements define "techno", recorded in this historical document https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnlR0BcZ8qc |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11290 |
A standard that defines what techno is? right! |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1878 |
Anything speedier than Volksmusik and I dont like it: techno! |
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ws
Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 248 |
@Groepaz: Please read the Unterhaltungsrichtlinien DIN Norm 909, Absatz Elektronische Unterhaltungsmusik - §303 at all times there has to be entertainment within a measurable range plus a cooled Biergetränk or else verboten & draconian fee. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4694 |
untz untz stinsen. |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 213 |
I expect dalezy to have something nice for us here. Somewhat relatedly... https://online.ucpress.edu/jsmg/article/4/1/9/195118/Industrial..
*hides* |
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vincenzo
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 81 |
2 weeks left. C'mon guys, we need more bangers :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Still somewhat confused as to the expected style.
Quoting deetsayThe specific term "drum and bass" was really the only option in order to be able to make the pun about the third channel. Otherwise it might have been "Breakin' SIDs" or "Micro Jungle Rave Step" or "Funky Drummer Says Amen". Most entries seem to ignore the DnB/breakbeat/jungle/amen bit entirely, while the judge seems to sit squarely on DnB.
So is it a "Techno" or "Drum'n'Bass" or both/anything compo now? =) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 939 |
Quote: Still somewhat confused as to the expected style.
Quoting deetsayThe specific term "drum and bass" was really the only option in order to be able to make the pun about the third channel. Otherwise it might have been "Breakin' SIDs" or "Micro Jungle Rave Step" or "Funky Drummer Says Amen". Most entries seem to ignore the DnB/breakbeat/jungle/amen bit entirely, while the judge seems to sit squarely on DnB.
So is it a "Techno" or "Drum'n'Bass" or both/anything compo now? =)
We'll see in 2 weeks what the hell that was. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1333 |
I'm a simple man - I see DnB edition, I do DnB entry :D |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Quoting JammerI'm a simple man - I see DnB edition, I do DnB entry :D Big up! Keep it rollin'. =) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 482 |
Quoting KrillSo is it a "Techno" or "Drum'n'Bass" or both/anything compo now? =)
I thought the "Bass" part was only for the pun *shrug*. But to be honest I don't know what either Techno or Drum'n'Bass is anyway – as you can clearly see on my "trying to figure it out" entries ;-) But GI-Joe hasn't given up on me and posts me a lot of links to tutorials via Signal XD |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11290 |
Here is the only explanation you need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y59K6-91G1Y |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 482 |
Quoting GroepazHere is the only explanation you need
Hm. Mambo Kurt? – GI-Joe? – Mambo Kurt? – GI-Joe? – Mambo Kurt!
GI-Joe, you're fired!
kthxbye |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 213 |
Quote: Still somewhat confused as to the expected style.
Quoting deetsayThe specific term "drum and bass" was really the only option in order to be able to make the pun about the third channel. Otherwise it might have been "Breakin' SIDs" or "Micro Jungle Rave Step" or "Funky Drummer Says Amen". Most entries seem to ignore the DnB/breakbeat/jungle/amen bit entirely, while the judge seems to sit squarely on DnB.
So is it a "Techno" or "Drum'n'Bass" or both/anything compo now? =)
Give me a week or two and I'll see if I can answer that... |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 42 |
The definitive answer is that no-one will be disqualified because of "wrong genre", so YOU should just go and do your thing NOW. If WINNING is your primary motivation then you should note that Muffler is the judge, and based on his discography I think it's safe to assume he appreciates drum AND bass. But who knows? Maybe he is a total gabberhead. |
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Matt
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 597 |
Quote: Here is the only explanation you need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y59K6-91G1Y
A decade or so ago I saw Mambo Kurt performing in one of the local pubs here in town.
best.gig.ever! :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11290 |
Quote:drum AND bass
country AND western! |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Quoting deetsayThe definitive answer is that no-one will be disqualified because of "wrong genre", so YOU should just go and do your thing NOW. If WINNING is your primary motivation then you should note that Muffler is the judge, and based on his discography I think it's safe to assume he appreciates drum AND bass. But who knows? Maybe he is a total gabberhead. "Smarty Pants" by Ed Rush & Optical coming to mind for some reason. =)
I'm still hoping for a THCMod "true DnB" banger, though. |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 423 |
@Krill: That track is the only non-DnB track in this album ;) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Quoting Digger@Krill: That track is the only non-DnB track in this album ;) So? Possibly in their entire discography! =) |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
I was at No u turn when "ed" turned up.. as I knew nico..
(they were local to London to me.. i'm at x95 with another dnb label jacket on..) .. the "blueprint" (R) .. others followed.
don't worry krill.. he hasn't got a clue what an IRQ is let alone a loader :)
you still rock on that front ;-) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2940 |
Quoting chancerdon't worry krill.. he hasn't got a clue what an IRQ is let alone a loader :) Why would that worry me? :)
If i ever meet them, i'd congratulate them to have made some of the best tunes in the golden era of DnB and maybe pester them about the production process and their studio gear of the time or something. =) |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
hhmm BEN "ed" wouldn't be so well known all without Nico.. learn the history of no u turn. much of "prototype years" , many tracks nico was involved with.. I was supposed to do their website, thats how I got to know them.
other labels were more "on point" i will say though.
I was more involved down the road with pioneers ;-) .. LONG before them guys showed up.
got loads of well known labels on my doorstep and knew a producer / engineer who worked for a fair few.. hence why i got to know them.
I was trying to play you a compliment.. chin up |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 42 |
I am completely BLOWN AWAY by the QUALITY of stuff! When someone releases a working SID DJ software, this compo page will be the go-to place to start filling up a dance floor banging playlist! And there's still time to join this crowd (at least if you already started) -- ThE DEADLINE IS TONIGHT! |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1066 |
deadline already? I want more! :) |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
Quoting Burglardeadline already? I want more! :)
do I have to change ya name to "Oliver twist" ;-)
I expect a cover of "just can't get enough" from you dear burg.. not like many 64 wise haven't covered DM already .. :)
I need to get back to the lowlands to visit my old pals |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1333 |
Any news? :D |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 482 |
Quoting JammerAny news? :D
You are alive. That's good enough news for me! <3 |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 213 |
I guess we'll get the results some time after Vincenzo's DJ set (featuring these compo entries!) at Arok tomorrow night. |
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deetsay
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 42 |
That is correct, Muffler has chosen the top 3 and the rest have been assigned by CSDB votes, and all will be revealed in Vincenzo's show tomorrow (Sat) 17:00 Hungarian time!
http://arok.intro.hu/2023/?l=en (stream links at the bottom of the page) |
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vincenzo
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 81 |
Quote: That is correct, Muffler has chosen the top 3 and the rest have been assigned by CSDB votes, and all will be revealed in Vincenzo's show tomorrow (Sat) 17:00 Hungarian time!
http://arok.intro.hu/2023/?l=en (stream links at the bottom of the page)
A quick note: I compiled the order of tracks for the live set before I knew the results. So it's not going to be in any order but what I thought would make sense in a musical/genre/live set way.
The plan is to announce the winner(s) during the party's prizegiving ceremony, just like the techno compo was part of the competitions. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1066 |
I hope there will be a recording :) |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 482 |
Quoting vincenzoI compiled the order of tracks for the live set before I knew the results. So it's not going to be in any order but what I thought would make sense in a musical/genre/live set way.
That's no excuse of course you will be held accountable for all of your actions an will have to explain your choices to a raging internet mob carrying pitchforks and torches! ;-P |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 482 |
Quoting vincenzoA quick note: I compiled the order of tracks for the live set before I knew the results. So it's not going to be in any order but what I thought would make sense in a musical/genre/live set way.
Joke aside while still listening to your mix: you did an awesome job compiling it all together! You have my deep respect. I guess it wasn't that easy with all those different type of techno tunes. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 939 |
Hail to the winner(s). Congrats. |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1333 |
I turns out that was DnB compo after all :D Thanks to Deetsay for really fun event, triggering a lot of amazing entries, and Vincenzo for awesome compo mix! <3 |
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Mibri
Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 213 |
Absolutely no beef from me about the top 3! Congrats fellas, and thanks to deetsay for organising! |
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vincenzo
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 81 |
I'm not a dj and especially not experienced with playing live on stage. But as usual, I did my best to grow up to the expectations and provide a proper live mix. Here's a capture of the set, hope you enjoy it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG5r-T2Om5Y |
